What's the most common complaint I've heard about Linux?
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@Linux_in_a_Bit @Kancept sure. But in days where chats are not fire and forget like irc the chat is asynchronous. So after a day or 2 the timezone argument IMHO doesn't work anymore. I am totally fine if a response takes a day or so. Sure it is frustrating it takes that long if something breaks on you but its reasonable. But beyond that it quickly turns into feeling like you aren't heard
@mtrnord @Linux_in_a_Bit no, I get that. It's like yelling into the void. You had said a few hours in your comment. A day or so, I can see the frustration.
For me, it's not so much time, but how so many use Discord these days as a support channel. No history to even search, really.
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Fair enough.
Not really my fault though.
And, where I'm from, "mate' is a non-gendered term of de-escalation.
Oh, and, are you complaining about the toxicity of the "Linux Community", or providing an example of it?
@avoca Did you really just claim to use mate as a "term of de-escalation" after ending your previous reply with fuck you dickhead?
Sorry to say this but: fuck you, dickhead!
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Seconded. It's been said that Apple hates computers but loves users, and that Linux hates users but loves computers. There's room for everyone at the console. Death to the elitist penguin.
@xinjinmeng @Linux_in_a_Bit Hates computers but loves money would be nearer the mark.
One difficulty with converts from other operating systems is that they will have naturally developed a preference for the way something works on their old OS and tend to consider any deviation from this to be a flaw. Even flexibility can be viewed as a flaw, because flexibility demands choices, and choices are complicated. Adaptation always requires some effort. -
@avoca Did you really just claim to use mate as a "term of de-escalation" after ending your previous reply with fuck you dickhead?
Sorry to say this but: fuck you, dickhead!
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Seconded. It's been said that Apple hates computers but loves users, and that Linux hates users but loves computers. There's room for everyone at the console. Death to the elitist penguin.
@xinjinmeng @Linux_in_a_Bit We had an Apple laptop at home once, brought home from work.
We couldn't get it to work on our home LAN (which had no other Apple equipment on it). There were various settings that looked like they might be something to do with networking, but they all had dumbed down names and descriptions and we failed to find the one that should have been labelled "turn off all the crap that assumes an Apple networking ecology and turn on the DHCP client instead".
She took it back, swapped it for a Windows laptop, and has had no trouble ever since.
(This was a long time ago. One might hope that Apple laptops are rather better at connecting to non-Apple networks these days?)
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What's the most common complaint I've heard about Linux?Not the installation process.
Not finding a distro.
Not getting programs to work.
Not troubleshooting.
Not hardware compatibility.The most common complaint about Linux I've seen is this:
For a normal computer user, asking for help is just about impossible.They ask a simple question and:
People respond "Did you Google it?"
People respond "RTFM"
People get mad??? at them for making an easy mistake.We can't expect people to know to, or even know how to deal with any of that stuff.
Search engines these days are awful, manuals are hard to read for most people (especially stuff like ArchWiki), and normal people make mistakes we think are easily avoidable.
The solution to making Linux more popular is not ruthless promotion. The solution is to actually help the people who are trying to use it.
@Linux_in_a_Bit This is a problem everywhere, not just Linux. I used to belong to a clockmaker's group. I once saw someone ask, "Is WD-40 good for lubricating my clock?". The first answer posted was, "You must be the stupidest person on the planet." Yeah, I dumped that group.
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@avoca@gladtech.social You mean the start where you blamed people for not picking the right distro to start with like it justified the abuse they got? The reason I swore at you from jump, mate, is that you are blaming the victim in the situation. That's not okay.
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@avoca@gladtech.social You mean the start where you blamed people for not picking the right distro to start with like it justified the abuse they got? The reason I swore at you from jump, mate, is that you are blaming the victim in the situation. That's not okay.
@sco_tty@mastodon.socialUmmm... yes it is.
No 'victim' in it. More than likely lazy-bones expecting everyone to drop everything and hold their hand. That's "not okay".
Look, what is wrong with you two???
Grow the fuck-up and get off your moral horses.
Life sucks for ALL of us atm.
I just don't need your crap, holier-than-tho dribble moralising a simple OP with a slightly different opinion.
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Ummm... yes it is.
No 'victim' in it. More than likely lazy-bones expecting everyone to drop everything and hold their hand. That's "not okay".
Look, what is wrong with you two???
Grow the fuck-up and get off your moral horses.
Life sucks for ALL of us atm.
I just don't need your crap, holier-than-tho dribble moralising a simple OP with a slightly different opinion.
@avoca@gladtech.social okay boomer @sco_tty@mastodon.social
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Hahahahahahahahahhahha. I'm a 'boomer' by 27 hours, FFS.
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Hahahahahahahahahhahha. I'm a 'boomer' by 27 hours, FFS.
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December 30th, 1959.
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December 30th, 1959.
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@avoca@gladtech.social I'm too busy laughing, but I'm going to need to block you now because I'm laughing so hard I can't even breathe.
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"proof" o_O
@pikesley @deathkitten yeah, I can find back a few papers if you want
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@Linux_in_a_Bit not true anymore.
With AI integrated in most search engine, you often get the right response from it.
One of the few benefits of AI is that it can basically customise the documentation to make it sensible to you. It becomes a kind of live documentation.A simple how to fix … on [distro name] works 95% of the time in my experience.
> how to fix no sound on Ubuntu
I don’t even know how to do that and no AI one-liner is going to save any of us, let alone somebody coming from Windows who’s afraid of a terminal.
Let’s say most things are now easier for most people, but a knowledgeable human is going to have to deal with this question either way.
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What's the most common complaint I've heard about Linux?
Not the installation process.
Not finding a distro.
Not getting programs to work.
Not troubleshooting.
Not hardware compatibility.The most common complaint about Linux I've seen is this:
For a normal computer user, asking for help is just about impossible.They ask a simple question and:
People respond "Did you Google it?"
People respond "RTFM"
People get mad??? at them for making an easy mistake.We can't expect people to know to, or even know how to deal with any of that stuff.
Search engines these days are awful, manuals are hard to read for most people (especially stuff like ArchWiki), and normal people make mistakes we think are easily avoidable.
The solution to making Linux more popular is not ruthless promotion. The solution is to actually help the people who are trying to use it.
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@pikesley @deathkitten yeah, I can find back a few papers if you want
@deathkitten @CedC go for it, the notion that an LLM has an internal representation of *anything* is, um, crackpot at best tbh
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What's the most common complaint I've heard about Linux?
Not the installation process.
Not finding a distro.
Not getting programs to work.
Not troubleshooting.
Not hardware compatibility.The most common complaint about Linux I've seen is this:
For a normal computer user, asking for help is just about impossible.They ask a simple question and:
People respond "Did you Google it?"
People respond "RTFM"
People get mad??? at them for making an easy mistake.We can't expect people to know to, or even know how to deal with any of that stuff.
Search engines these days are awful, manuals are hard to read for most people (especially stuff like ArchWiki), and normal people make mistakes we think are easily avoidable.
The solution to making Linux more popular is not ruthless promotion. The solution is to actually help the people who are trying to use it.
@Linux_in_a_Bit
There are lot of help tutorials online, but some are not easy to find with google search because advertizing... and the ai sh**
Linux is not hard, one just have to put some effort on learning. Lower the standards as if people is stupid is a bad thing in everything, not only Linux.
And... ArchWiki has very detailed tutorials. I used it to fix things on other distros not related to Arch. Dude!
