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  • feditips@social.growyourown.servicesF feditips@social.growyourown.services

    @veroandi

    Mastodon.social doesn't help new people in any way though? They would find it just as easy starting on (for example) ohai.social.

    "Choosing an instance is not easy"

    I've tried to make it as possible at https://fedi.garden

    If there's any way I can make the site easier feedback very welcome 🙂

    veroandi@connexia.hibiol.euV This user is from outside of this forum
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    #42

    @FediTips

    Yes, you do a great work and I'm sure it's easier to choose if people follow your guides! 😉

    The difficult part is deciding based on admin trust, rules and jurisdiction, and knowing in advance about infrastructure, security/backups, and if it is active enough and well connected to others. That's why I said, 'at least not if you want to do it thoughtfully.' Nobody can do that for you, and the sad thing is that when people choose 'the bad instance', others usually blame them for not choosing carefully enough.

    Mastodon.social doesn't help new people in any way though? They would find it just as easy starting on (for example) ohai.social.


    Ohai seems good. They publish information about their infrastructure and the full names of the people behind it - it's an IT company, if I understand correctly? - and the page loads very quickly. I tried searching for accounts from my country and found some, so it's not isolated in Europe. It could also be a good starting point since it's generic and not limited to a particular theme or ideology.

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    • feditips@social.growyourown.servicesF feditips@social.growyourown.services

      Mastodon.social has no advantages at all over any other server. It has no special status or special privileges, it uses exactly the same software as other Mastodon servers.

      In fact I'd strongly advise people *NOT* to sign up on mastodon.social, here are the reasons why: https://fedi.tips/its-a-really-bad-idea-to-join-a-big-server

      TL:DR - It's far far too big, it's putting the entire decentralised nature of the Fediverse in danger.

      If you want help choosing a good reliable server, have a look at https://fedi.garden

      #FediTips

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      #43

      @FediTips very insightful and interesting! I'm new to the Fediverse, so this is still so fascinating for me!

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      • feditips@social.growyourown.servicesF feditips@social.growyourown.services

        Mastodon.social has no advantages at all over any other server. It has no special status or special privileges, it uses exactly the same software as other Mastodon servers.

        In fact I'd strongly advise people *NOT* to sign up on mastodon.social, here are the reasons why: https://fedi.tips/its-a-really-bad-idea-to-join-a-big-server

        TL:DR - It's far far too big, it's putting the entire decentralised nature of the Fediverse in danger.

        If you want help choosing a good reliable server, have a look at https://fedi.garden

        #FediTips

        frieke72@mastodon.socialF This user is from outside of this forum
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        #44

        @FediTips can you transfer with history and contacts?

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        • frieke72@mastodon.socialF frieke72@mastodon.social

          @FediTips can you transfer with history and contacts?

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          #45

          @Frieke72

          You can transfer your followers, follows, bookmarks, lists, mutes, blocks and domain blocks.

          Your posts remain on the previous server, but they redirect people to your new account.

          More info on how to transfer at https://fedi.tips/transferring-your-mastodon-account-to-another-server

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          • lappenjammerdiezweite@social.vivaldi.netL lappenjammerdiezweite@social.vivaldi.net

            @FediTips Since you kindly offer to answer any questions: I chose to open my account on openbiblio.social. They have been offline since 26 December. I have since learned that was caused by their provider netcup who did not help to get anything fixed (paraphrasing the information here).

            So how does one choose a server without knowing what kind of infrastructure they rely on? I'd never consiously chosen a US infrastructure.

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            #46

            @LappenjammerDieZweite en el #fediverse es bueno por estas cosas tener 2 o 3 cuentas en servidores/instancias/dominios diferentes por si a algún servidor le ocurre algo-

            @FediTips

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            • feditips@social.growyourown.servicesF feditips@social.growyourown.services

              Mastodon.social has no advantages at all over any other server. It has no special status or special privileges, it uses exactly the same software as other Mastodon servers.

              In fact I'd strongly advise people *NOT* to sign up on mastodon.social, here are the reasons why: https://fedi.tips/its-a-really-bad-idea-to-join-a-big-server

              TL:DR - It's far far too big, it's putting the entire decentralised nature of the Fediverse in danger.

              If you want help choosing a good reliable server, have a look at https://fedi.garden

              #FediTips

              regendans@todon.euR This user is from outside of this forum
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              #47

              @FediTips 💯 Agree fully with your message.

              And if new users want to follow people on Meta's Threads then mastodon.social has the advantage that it is open to that. Unlike the many instances which block it. https://fedipact.online Though I imagine few new users would reason like that.

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              • feditips@social.growyourown.servicesF feditips@social.growyourown.services

                @project1enigma

                I've tried to build upon the wording on JoinMastodon, as many servers were already complying with that.

                But if any server tolerates antisemitism, ableism or other bigotry I will of course remove it from fedi.garden.

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                #48

                @FediTips I understand. Thanks.

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                • feditips@social.growyourown.servicesF feditips@social.growyourown.services

                  Mastodon.social has no advantages at all over any other server. It has no special status or special privileges, it uses exactly the same software as other Mastodon servers.

                  In fact I'd strongly advise people *NOT* to sign up on mastodon.social, here are the reasons why: https://fedi.tips/its-a-really-bad-idea-to-join-a-big-server

                  TL:DR - It's far far too big, it's putting the entire decentralised nature of the Fediverse in danger.

                  If you want help choosing a good reliable server, have a look at https://fedi.garden

                  #FediTips

                  cutesobri@cathode.churchC This user is from outside of this forum
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                  #49

                  @FediTips
                  by taking users i see how its not helping decenterization but they crash if they get to big for their mods and if we push for it we could get them to cut the sever away from the org that does dev stuff

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                  • feditips@social.growyourown.servicesF feditips@social.growyourown.services

                    Mastodon.social has no advantages at all over any other server. It has no special status or special privileges, it uses exactly the same software as other Mastodon servers.

                    In fact I'd strongly advise people *NOT* to sign up on mastodon.social, here are the reasons why: https://fedi.tips/its-a-really-bad-idea-to-join-a-big-server

                    TL:DR - It's far far too big, it's putting the entire decentralised nature of the Fediverse in danger.

                    If you want help choosing a good reliable server, have a look at https://fedi.garden

                    #FediTips

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                    #50

                    @FediTips

                    You say that you have over 200,000 followers and is on a single user server.

                    What kind of server do you have? I mean, what kind of RAM and storage, if these are the relevant specs?

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                    • ixi@mastodon.onlineI ixi@mastodon.online shared this topic
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                    • feditips@social.growyourown.servicesF feditips@social.growyourown.services

                      p.s. Posting this because new people on other servers were asking if they needed to open an account on mastodon.social or move to mastodon.social. Answer to both is no 🙂

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                      #51

                      @FediTips
                      "Stay away from the voodoo. And Mastodon.social too"

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                      • feditips@social.growyourown.servicesF feditips@social.growyourown.services

                        @Frieke72

                        You can transfer your followers, follows, bookmarks, lists, mutes, blocks and domain blocks.

                        Your posts remain on the previous server, but they redirect people to your new account.

                        More info on how to transfer at https://fedi.tips/transferring-your-mastodon-account-to-another-server

                        stomata@procial.tchncs.deS This user is from outside of this forum
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                        #52

                        @FediTips@social.growyourown.services @Frieke72@mastodon.social you can transfer your posts if you choose a Sharkey instance. You can import your posts if you want from Mastodon, misskey, akkoma, Twitter even facebook

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                        • stomata@procial.tchncs.deS stomata@procial.tchncs.de

                          @FediTips@social.growyourown.services @Frieke72@mastodon.social you can transfer your posts if you choose a Sharkey instance. You can import your posts if you want from Mastodon, misskey, akkoma, Twitter even facebook

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                          #53

                          @Stomata Sharkey? Image of 🦈 flashes by....

                          But this sounds great., now I've got to learn about instances 🤓 and see if mastodon.nl is one. Can you answer this @support ?

                          @FediTips

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                          • frieke72@mastodon.socialF frieke72@mastodon.social

                            @Stomata Sharkey? Image of 🦈 flashes by....

                            But this sounds great., now I've got to learn about instances 🤓 and see if mastodon.nl is one. Can you answer this @support ?

                            @FediTips

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                            #54

                            @Frieke72@mastodon.social @support@mastodon.nl @FediTips@social.growyourown.services Sharkey is a different software than Mastodon. But still talks to other fediverse platforms.
                            It comes with more modern and user friendly ui and features.
                            More info
                            https://joinsharkey.org

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                            • feditips@social.growyourown.servicesF feditips@social.growyourown.services

                              Mastodon.social has no advantages at all over any other server. It has no special status or special privileges, it uses exactly the same software as other Mastodon servers.

                              In fact I'd strongly advise people *NOT* to sign up on mastodon.social, here are the reasons why: https://fedi.tips/its-a-really-bad-idea-to-join-a-big-server

                              TL:DR - It's far far too big, it's putting the entire decentralised nature of the Fediverse in danger.

                              If you want help choosing a good reliable server, have a look at https://fedi.garden

                              #FediTips

                              myricagale@mastodon.scotM This user is from outside of this forum
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                              #55

                              @FediTips This was the reason I originally joined Mastodon.world when I first started on Mastodon about 5 years ago. Social was to big even then and there was guidance not to join it.
                              Since then (because of frequent 'outages' on .world) I moved to a local server (Mastodon.scot) - best move and easy enough to do!

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                              • feditips@social.growyourown.servicesF feditips@social.growyourown.services

                                Mastodon.social has no advantages at all over any other server. It has no special status or special privileges, it uses exactly the same software as other Mastodon servers.

                                In fact I'd strongly advise people *NOT* to sign up on mastodon.social, here are the reasons why: https://fedi.tips/its-a-really-bad-idea-to-join-a-big-server

                                TL:DR - It's far far too big, it's putting the entire decentralised nature of the Fediverse in danger.

                                If you want help choosing a good reliable server, have a look at https://fedi.garden

                                #FediTips

                                rfpatterson@mastodon.nzR This user is from outside of this forum
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                                #56

                                @FediTips I am on mastodon.social but also on two other Mastodons and another #Fedi site. I seldom post on the big one. Does #FediTips want me to change anything?

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                                • feditips@social.growyourown.servicesF feditips@social.growyourown.services

                                  Mastodon.social has no advantages at all over any other server. It has no special status or special privileges, it uses exactly the same software as other Mastodon servers.

                                  In fact I'd strongly advise people *NOT* to sign up on mastodon.social, here are the reasons why: https://fedi.tips/its-a-really-bad-idea-to-join-a-big-server

                                  TL:DR - It's far far too big, it's putting the entire decentralised nature of the Fediverse in danger.

                                  If you want help choosing a good reliable server, have a look at https://fedi.garden

                                  #FediTips

                                  cathybikesbook@mastodon.socialC This user is from outside of this forum
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                                  #57

                                  @FediTips I was deciding between mastodon.social and mastodon.plus. ended up choosing mastodon social. I'm happy with my decision, although I am still relatively new here. I will say having all those different servers is confusing for new people. I remember when Mastodon first started, I didn't join because it was so confusing. That's definitely off-putting for new people. Fediverse and the concept of it is still confusing for me but I am trying to learn it.

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                                  • feditips@social.growyourown.servicesF feditips@social.growyourown.services

                                    Mastodon.social has no advantages at all over any other server. It has no special status or special privileges, it uses exactly the same software as other Mastodon servers.

                                    In fact I'd strongly advise people *NOT* to sign up on mastodon.social, here are the reasons why: https://fedi.tips/its-a-really-bad-idea-to-join-a-big-server

                                    TL:DR - It's far far too big, it's putting the entire decentralised nature of the Fediverse in danger.

                                    If you want help choosing a good reliable server, have a look at https://fedi.garden

                                    #FediTips

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                                    #58

                                    @FediTips I blocked mastodon.social a while ago because an awful lot of #antisemitism came from users on that server. Haven't missed it.

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                                    • feditips@social.growyourown.servicesF feditips@social.growyourown.services

                                      @LappenjammerDieZweite

                                      Unfortunately this is a risk with any online service, even the largest 😞 (e.g. https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2019/mar/18/myspace-loses-all-content-uploaded-before-2016 )

                                      What was the process by which you chose OpenBiblio by the way? I'm wondering if there's some way to improve the listing site. I don't think I've listed them on Fedi.Garden, were they on JoinMastodon? If they were listed on either site, they should have had daily backups to avoid this scenario.

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                                      #59

                                      @FediTips @LappenjammerDieZweite It's possible to avoid it on ATproto, but it takes some extra steps. Mainly adding a rotation key for adversarial migration. Non-Bluesky platforms, relays, and PDSes would need to move to one of the major PLC mirrors if the collapse was big enough.

                                      AP might become the same if the recent initiative to advance ActivityPods and C2S takes off.

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                                      • feditips@social.growyourown.servicesF feditips@social.growyourown.services

                                        Mastodon.social has no advantages at all over any other server. It has no special status or special privileges, it uses exactly the same software as other Mastodon servers.

                                        In fact I'd strongly advise people *NOT* to sign up on mastodon.social, here are the reasons why: https://fedi.tips/its-a-really-bad-idea-to-join-a-big-server

                                        TL:DR - It's far far too big, it's putting the entire decentralised nature of the Fediverse in danger.

                                        If you want help choosing a good reliable server, have a look at https://fedi.garden

                                        #FediTips

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                                        #60

                                        @FediTips Though you can't easily move to another instance if that instance has 'suspend' on mastodon.social ... and not all instances seem to publish their suspend/silence lists ...

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                                        • feditips@social.growyourown.servicesF feditips@social.growyourown.services

                                          Mastodon.social has no advantages at all over any other server. It has no special status or special privileges, it uses exactly the same software as other Mastodon servers.

                                          In fact I'd strongly advise people *NOT* to sign up on mastodon.social, here are the reasons why: https://fedi.tips/its-a-really-bad-idea-to-join-a-big-server

                                          TL:DR - It's far far too big, it's putting the entire decentralised nature of the Fediverse in danger.

                                          If you want help choosing a good reliable server, have a look at https://fedi.garden

                                          #FediTips

                                          magicmutti@muenchen.socialM This user is from outside of this forum
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                                          #61

                                          @FediTips
                                          Thanks for the information! I just moved from mastodon.social to muenchen.social.

                                          Thanks to your helpful instructions everything went well 😄

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