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  • darksheeparts@mastoart.socialD darksheeparts@mastoart.social

    Question for #blind and partially sighted folk on the fediverse:

    If you go to a museum or gallery, do you prefer braille or do you instead use a text to speech app?

    (Or both, or something else)

    I've got a bit of money to refurbish a small UK museum space with better provisions for Deaf and Blind folk, so I'm keen to know what will be the most useful.

    Please Note: This is a question specifically for blind and partially sighted Fedi users, rather than fully sighted folk.

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    #13

    @DarkSheepArts If you do end up going with Braille, keep in mind that English has two Braille grades. Most native speakers will use and prefer grade2, which introduces abbreviations for common English words, prefixes and suffixes, think "have", "would" or "ing". However, many foreign visitors, *even those who both know Braille and can speak English, may not actually know grade 2 English Braille*, and need grade 1, which has no such abbreviations.

    In English-speaking countries, it's often assumed that what you want is grade2, but if the place has a lot of foreign visitors specifically, that may not always be the right choice.

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    • markiejiang@mastodon.socialM markiejiang@mastodon.social

      @DarkSheepArts I'm sighted enough to walk without a cane and don't use braille normally (thus quite bad at it), but not enough to see "regular" prints in general (like menus etc) Museums in dim lights is where I can more or less see what is being exhibited but none of the texts. I normally use the phone to take photos and zoom it or text to speech. If there's a QR code that sends me directly to the text then that's more convenient.

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      #14

      @DarkSheepArts I remember visiting The Victor Hugo House, they have a braille+large print map of the museum and a braille+large print (huge) "booklet" in every room for the contents and that was very nice. (A bit clumsy to carry around but their exhibition is permanent so they can afford that better I guess.)

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      • darksheeparts@mastoart.socialD darksheeparts@mastoart.social

        Question for #blind and partially sighted folk on the fediverse:

        If you go to a museum or gallery, do you prefer braille or do you instead use a text to speech app?

        (Or both, or something else)

        I've got a bit of money to refurbish a small UK museum space with better provisions for Deaf and Blind folk, so I'm keen to know what will be the most useful.

        Please Note: This is a question specifically for blind and partially sighted Fedi users, rather than fully sighted folk.

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        #15

        @DarkSheepArts a question for @tink

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        • onj@hear-me.socialO onj@hear-me.social

          @DarkSheepArts My phone. I already have it with me. Maybe scan a QR, it opens up to an accessible web page with info on, whether that be audio files the user presses play on, or written text which then is spoken via the screen-reader. If you go the latter route, then anyone who does use Braille and happens to have a display with them, such as deafblind can use that.
          @jakobrosin thoughts on this? I know you've done similar things.

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          #16

          @Onj
          @jakobrosin

          That's really good to know, and it would link with another project I'm already doing.

          There's the risk people will tour without coming in, but I'm happy to risk that. The building the museum is in is the big draw for what I do anyway, so our patrons still most likely want the experience of being here anyway.

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          • markiejiang@mastodon.socialM markiejiang@mastodon.social

            @DarkSheepArts I'm sighted enough to walk without a cane and don't use braille normally (thus quite bad at it), but not enough to see "regular" prints in general (like menus etc) Museums in dim lights is where I can more or less see what is being exhibited but none of the texts. I normally use the phone to take photos and zoom it or text to speech. If there's a QR code that sends me directly to the text then that's more convenient.

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            #17

            @markiejiang

            That's good to know. Someone else has said the same thing.

            That would tie in with another project I'm doing already.

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            • miki@dragonscave.spaceM miki@dragonscave.space

              @DarkSheepArts If you do end up going with Braille, keep in mind that English has two Braille grades. Most native speakers will use and prefer grade2, which introduces abbreviations for common English words, prefixes and suffixes, think "have", "would" or "ing". However, many foreign visitors, *even those who both know Braille and can speak English, may not actually know grade 2 English Braille*, and need grade 1, which has no such abbreviations.

              In English-speaking countries, it's often assumed that what you want is grade2, but if the place has a lot of foreign visitors specifically, that may not always be the right choice.

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              #18

              @miki

              Thank you! That's really good to know.

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              • markiejiang@mastodon.socialM markiejiang@mastodon.social

                @DarkSheepArts I remember visiting The Victor Hugo House, they have a braille+large print map of the museum and a braille+large print (huge) "booklet" in every room for the contents and that was very nice. (A bit clumsy to carry around but their exhibition is permanent so they can afford that better I guess.)

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                #19

                @markiejiang

                We're permanent too, so that would be doable.

                I think Bletchley park in the UK has the same thing.

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                • darksheeparts@mastoart.socialD darksheeparts@mastoart.social

                  @Onj
                  @jakobrosin

                  That's really good to know, and it would link with another project I'm already doing.

                  There's the risk people will tour without coming in, but I'm happy to risk that. The building the museum is in is the big draw for what I do anyway, so our patrons still most likely want the experience of being here anyway.

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                  #20

                  @DarkSheepArts @jakobrosin Well I'm more than happy to help with sound design/audio work if need be.

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                  • darksheeparts@mastoart.socialD darksheeparts@mastoart.social

                    Question for #blind and partially sighted folk on the fediverse:

                    If you go to a museum or gallery, do you prefer braille or do you instead use a text to speech app?

                    (Or both, or something else)

                    I've got a bit of money to refurbish a small UK museum space with better provisions for Deaf and Blind folk, so I'm keen to know what will be the most useful.

                    Please Note: This is a question specifically for blind and partially sighted Fedi users, rather than fully sighted folk.

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                    tyrylu@gts.trycht.cz
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                    #21

                    @DarkSheepArts First, as many explorable pieces as possible. You definitely want labels, but yes, for longer descriptions, you might want either some pre-recorded stuff, or some texts on say, a website, and have a giant QR code somewhere comfortable to find.

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                    • darksheeparts@mastoart.socialD darksheeparts@mastoart.social

                      Question for #blind and partially sighted folk on the fediverse:

                      If you go to a museum or gallery, do you prefer braille or do you instead use a text to speech app?

                      (Or both, or something else)

                      I've got a bit of money to refurbish a small UK museum space with better provisions for Deaf and Blind folk, so I'm keen to know what will be the most useful.

                      Please Note: This is a question specifically for blind and partially sighted Fedi users, rather than fully sighted folk.

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                      the_spc@fwoof.space
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                      #22

                      @FreakyFwoof @DarkSheepArts Both, honestly. I like to know how things are spelled, and I've not used TTS apps enough to know if that functionality is there; for mapping I use an app, though, so if it's built into the TTS thing...

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                      • darksheeparts@mastoart.socialD darksheeparts@mastoart.social

                        Question for #blind and partially sighted folk on the fediverse:

                        If you go to a museum or gallery, do you prefer braille or do you instead use a text to speech app?

                        (Or both, or something else)

                        I've got a bit of money to refurbish a small UK museum space with better provisions for Deaf and Blind folk, so I'm keen to know what will be the most useful.

                        Please Note: This is a question specifically for blind and partially sighted Fedi users, rather than fully sighted folk.

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                        #23

                        @DarkSheepArts I appreciate having the opportunity to learn more because you asked the question. Thank you.

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                        • darksheeparts@mastoart.socialD darksheeparts@mastoart.social

                          Question for #blind and partially sighted folk on the fediverse:

                          If you go to a museum or gallery, do you prefer braille or do you instead use a text to speech app?

                          (Or both, or something else)

                          I've got a bit of money to refurbish a small UK museum space with better provisions for Deaf and Blind folk, so I'm keen to know what will be the most useful.

                          Please Note: This is a question specifically for blind and partially sighted Fedi users, rather than fully sighted folk.

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                          #24

                          @DarkSheepArts not just museums, but my wife will take a smartphone photo and zoom/pan to read that instead, it helps a lot.

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                          • onj@hear-me.socialO onj@hear-me.social

                            @DarkSheepArts My phone. I already have it with me. Maybe scan a QR, it opens up to an accessible web page with info on, whether that be audio files the user presses play on, or written text which then is spoken via the screen-reader. If you go the latter route, then anyone who does use Braille and happens to have a display with them, such as deafblind can use that.
                            @jakobrosin thoughts on this? I know you've done similar things.

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                            #25

                            @Onj @DarkSheepArts @jakobrosin QR codes fixed in location have a big flaw, they are usually URLs, which require someone to pay to host the domain and site, ive seen several cases where an organisation forgets to renew the domain and someone else takes it over.

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                            • darksheeparts@mastoart.socialD darksheeparts@mastoart.social

                              @SRLevine @pawpower

                              I'm happy to hear from anyone - my money is ringfenced, so I have to be relatively specific in terms of spending it on Blind and Deaf folk, but aside from that all information is an asset.

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                              #26

                              @DarkSheepArts @SRLevine @pawpower

                              You might want to contact VocalEyes, they might be able to help you stretch your $$$.

                              https://vocaleyes.co.uk/services/museums-galleries-and-heritage/

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                              • darksheeparts@mastoart.socialD darksheeparts@mastoart.social

                                Question for #blind and partially sighted folk on the fediverse:

                                If you go to a museum or gallery, do you prefer braille or do you instead use a text to speech app?

                                (Or both, or something else)

                                I've got a bit of money to refurbish a small UK museum space with better provisions for Deaf and Blind folk, so I'm keen to know what will be the most useful.

                                Please Note: This is a question specifically for blind and partially sighted Fedi users, rather than fully sighted folk.

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                                #27

                                @DarkSheepArts Rab may be able to offer some input here @RabBrucesSpider1

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                                • darksheeparts@mastoart.socialD darksheeparts@mastoart.social

                                  Question for #blind and partially sighted folk on the fediverse:

                                  If you go to a museum or gallery, do you prefer braille or do you instead use a text to speech app?

                                  (Or both, or something else)

                                  I've got a bit of money to refurbish a small UK museum space with better provisions for Deaf and Blind folk, so I'm keen to know what will be the most useful.

                                  Please Note: This is a question specifically for blind and partially sighted Fedi users, rather than fully sighted folk.

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                                  #28

                                  @DarkSheepArts I am deafblind and I always love it when museums have braille. Obviously audio is a very little used to me. It is especially cool if they have tactile drawings or models of the things they are showing.

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                                  • pawpower@beige.partyP pawpower@beige.party

                                    @DarkSheepArts I am deafblind and I always love it when museums have braille. Obviously audio is a very little used to me. It is especially cool if they have tactile drawings or models of the things they are showing.

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                                    #29

                                    @pawpower

                                    That makes sense.

                                    Tactile drawings and other things of the ilk are in the plan too - I don't know if you're in the US or UK, but I'm going to shamelessly steal all the good work that Bletchley Park have done in their new exhibits.

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                                    • funguy2playwith@mastodon.onlineF funguy2playwith@mastodon.online

                                      @DarkSheepArts @SRLevine @pawpower

                                      You might want to contact VocalEyes, they might be able to help you stretch your $$$.

                                      https://vocaleyes.co.uk/services/museums-galleries-and-heritage/

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                                      #30

                                      @funguy2playwith @DarkSheepArts @SRLevine @pawpower seconded, VocalEyes are great

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                                      • darksheeparts@mastoart.socialD darksheeparts@mastoart.social

                                        @pawpower

                                        That makes sense.

                                        Tactile drawings and other things of the ilk are in the plan too - I don't know if you're in the US or UK, but I'm going to shamelessly steal all the good work that Bletchley Park have done in their new exhibits.

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                                        #31

                                        @DarkSheepArts Sadly, I am in the US, but I go to a lot of museums here because many of the larger ones also provide sign language interpretation. Last year I was at the intrepid sea air and space Museum in Manhattan and they had models of many of the things and that was really cool.

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                                        • darksheeparts@mastoart.socialD darksheeparts@mastoart.social

                                          Question for #blind and partially sighted folk on the fediverse:

                                          If you go to a museum or gallery, do you prefer braille or do you instead use a text to speech app?

                                          (Or both, or something else)

                                          I've got a bit of money to refurbish a small UK museum space with better provisions for Deaf and Blind folk, so I'm keen to know what will be the most useful.

                                          Please Note: This is a question specifically for blind and partially sighted Fedi users, rather than fully sighted folk.

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                                          jmillerbiblio@mastodon.social
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                                          #32

                                          @DarkSheepArts @sbourne I like the audio component when it’s available. Biltmore was cool, because they had this receiver into which you entered the number accompanying each exhibit and would hear an explanation about it. Braille is neat when they have it, but it takes longer to read and ou can sometimes have folk start to stack up behind you

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