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    Question for #blind and partially sighted folk on the fediverse:

    If you go to a museum or gallery, do you prefer braille or do you instead use a text to speech app?

    (Or both, or something else)

    I've got a bit of money to refurbish a small UK museum space with better provisions for Deaf and Blind folk, so I'm keen to know what will be the most useful.

    Please Note: This is a question specifically for blind and partially sighted Fedi users, rather than fully sighted folk.

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    • darksheeparts@mastoart.socialD darksheeparts@mastoart.social

      Question for #blind and partially sighted folk on the fediverse:

      If you go to a museum or gallery, do you prefer braille or do you instead use a text to speech app?

      (Or both, or something else)

      I've got a bit of money to refurbish a small UK museum space with better provisions for Deaf and Blind folk, so I'm keen to know what will be the most useful.

      Please Note: This is a question specifically for blind and partially sighted Fedi users, rather than fully sighted folk.

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      @DarkSheepArts I know @pawpower has opinions about museum accessibility.

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      • darksheeparts@mastoart.socialD darksheeparts@mastoart.social

        Question for #blind and partially sighted folk on the fediverse:

        If you go to a museum or gallery, do you prefer braille or do you instead use a text to speech app?

        (Or both, or something else)

        I've got a bit of money to refurbish a small UK museum space with better provisions for Deaf and Blind folk, so I'm keen to know what will be the most useful.

        Please Note: This is a question specifically for blind and partially sighted Fedi users, rather than fully sighted folk.

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        @DarkSheepArts boosts OK?

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        • ifixcoinops@retro.socialI ifixcoinops@retro.social

          @DarkSheepArts boosts OK?

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          @ifixcoinops Please do!

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          • srlevine@neuromatch.socialS srlevine@neuromatch.social

            @DarkSheepArts I know @pawpower has opinions about museum accessibility.

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            @SRLevine @pawpower

            I'm happy to hear from anyone - my money is ringfenced, so I have to be relatively specific in terms of spending it on Blind and Deaf folk, but aside from that all information is an asset.

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            • darksheeparts@mastoart.socialD darksheeparts@mastoart.social

              Question for #blind and partially sighted folk on the fediverse:

              If you go to a museum or gallery, do you prefer braille or do you instead use a text to speech app?

              (Or both, or something else)

              I've got a bit of money to refurbish a small UK museum space with better provisions for Deaf and Blind folk, so I'm keen to know what will be the most useful.

              Please Note: This is a question specifically for blind and partially sighted Fedi users, rather than fully sighted folk.

              onj@hear-me.socialO This user is from outside of this forum
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              @DarkSheepArts For quickness I prefer to hear what's going on. Braille is nice to have for sure, but if there's a lot of info, would spend more time reading than enjoying. Definitely a personal opinion, and just like anything it's very subjective.
              I have done sound design and audio queues for museums in the passed so understand that more, as it were.

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              • onj@hear-me.socialO onj@hear-me.social

                @DarkSheepArts For quickness I prefer to hear what's going on. Braille is nice to have for sure, but if there's a lot of info, would spend more time reading than enjoying. Definitely a personal opinion, and just like anything it's very subjective.
                I have done sound design and audio queues for museums in the passed so understand that more, as it were.

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                @Onj

                That makes sense. Is there a specific app that you use? What would help you make the most out of hearing things?

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                • darksheeparts@mastoart.socialD darksheeparts@mastoart.social

                  @Onj

                  That makes sense. Is there a specific app that you use? What would help you make the most out of hearing things?

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                  @DarkSheepArts My phone. I already have it with me. Maybe scan a QR, it opens up to an accessible web page with info on, whether that be audio files the user presses play on, or written text which then is spoken via the screen-reader. If you go the latter route, then anyone who does use Braille and happens to have a display with them, such as deafblind can use that.
                  @jakobrosin thoughts on this? I know you've done similar things.

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                  • onj@hear-me.socialO onj@hear-me.social

                    @DarkSheepArts My phone. I already have it with me. Maybe scan a QR, it opens up to an accessible web page with info on, whether that be audio files the user presses play on, or written text which then is spoken via the screen-reader. If you go the latter route, then anyone who does use Braille and happens to have a display with them, such as deafblind can use that.
                    @jakobrosin thoughts on this? I know you've done similar things.

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                    @DarkSheepArts the benefit of the user already using a device they have with them is less outlay on your side, just the web hosting or whatever.
                    Also means they could in theory take the tour without being on-site at all, though that's bad for business, as there aren't paying customers there.
                    You could charge for the virtual tour as well, but that's a different discussion.
                    @jakobrosin

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                    • onj@hear-me.socialO onj@hear-me.social

                      @DarkSheepArts My phone. I already have it with me. Maybe scan a QR, it opens up to an accessible web page with info on, whether that be audio files the user presses play on, or written text which then is spoken via the screen-reader. If you go the latter route, then anyone who does use Braille and happens to have a display with them, such as deafblind can use that.
                      @jakobrosin thoughts on this? I know you've done similar things.

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                      @Onj
                      Did you mean to mention @jakobrosin@universeodon.com instead?

                      @DarkSheepArts @jakobrosin@hear-me.social

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                      • G genodeftest@digitalcourage.social

                        @Onj
                        Did you mean to mention @jakobrosin@universeodon.com instead?

                        @DarkSheepArts @jakobrosin@hear-me.social

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                        @genodeftest @jakobrosin@universeodon.com @DarkSheepArts @jakobrosin He has both accounts anyway, so should see it I suspect. Like me, we have alt-accounts.

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                        • darksheeparts@mastoart.socialD darksheeparts@mastoart.social

                          Question for #blind and partially sighted folk on the fediverse:

                          If you go to a museum or gallery, do you prefer braille or do you instead use a text to speech app?

                          (Or both, or something else)

                          I've got a bit of money to refurbish a small UK museum space with better provisions for Deaf and Blind folk, so I'm keen to know what will be the most useful.

                          Please Note: This is a question specifically for blind and partially sighted Fedi users, rather than fully sighted folk.

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                          #12

                          @DarkSheepArts I'm sighted enough to walk without a cane and don't use braille normally (thus quite bad at it), but not enough to see "regular" prints in general (like menus etc) Museums in dim lights is where I can more or less see what is being exhibited but none of the texts. I normally use the phone to take photos and zoom it or text to speech. If there's a QR code that sends me directly to the text then that's more convenient.

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                          • darksheeparts@mastoart.socialD darksheeparts@mastoart.social

                            Question for #blind and partially sighted folk on the fediverse:

                            If you go to a museum or gallery, do you prefer braille or do you instead use a text to speech app?

                            (Or both, or something else)

                            I've got a bit of money to refurbish a small UK museum space with better provisions for Deaf and Blind folk, so I'm keen to know what will be the most useful.

                            Please Note: This is a question specifically for blind and partially sighted Fedi users, rather than fully sighted folk.

                            miki@dragonscave.spaceM This user is from outside of this forum
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                            @DarkSheepArts If you do end up going with Braille, keep in mind that English has two Braille grades. Most native speakers will use and prefer grade2, which introduces abbreviations for common English words, prefixes and suffixes, think "have", "would" or "ing". However, many foreign visitors, *even those who both know Braille and can speak English, may not actually know grade 2 English Braille*, and need grade 1, which has no such abbreviations.

                            In English-speaking countries, it's often assumed that what you want is grade2, but if the place has a lot of foreign visitors specifically, that may not always be the right choice.

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                            • markiejiang@mastodon.socialM markiejiang@mastodon.social

                              @DarkSheepArts I'm sighted enough to walk without a cane and don't use braille normally (thus quite bad at it), but not enough to see "regular" prints in general (like menus etc) Museums in dim lights is where I can more or less see what is being exhibited but none of the texts. I normally use the phone to take photos and zoom it or text to speech. If there's a QR code that sends me directly to the text then that's more convenient.

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                              @DarkSheepArts I remember visiting The Victor Hugo House, they have a braille+large print map of the museum and a braille+large print (huge) "booklet" in every room for the contents and that was very nice. (A bit clumsy to carry around but their exhibition is permanent so they can afford that better I guess.)

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                              • darksheeparts@mastoart.socialD darksheeparts@mastoart.social

                                Question for #blind and partially sighted folk on the fediverse:

                                If you go to a museum or gallery, do you prefer braille or do you instead use a text to speech app?

                                (Or both, or something else)

                                I've got a bit of money to refurbish a small UK museum space with better provisions for Deaf and Blind folk, so I'm keen to know what will be the most useful.

                                Please Note: This is a question specifically for blind and partially sighted Fedi users, rather than fully sighted folk.

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                                @DarkSheepArts a question for @tink

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                                • onj@hear-me.socialO onj@hear-me.social

                                  @DarkSheepArts My phone. I already have it with me. Maybe scan a QR, it opens up to an accessible web page with info on, whether that be audio files the user presses play on, or written text which then is spoken via the screen-reader. If you go the latter route, then anyone who does use Braille and happens to have a display with them, such as deafblind can use that.
                                  @jakobrosin thoughts on this? I know you've done similar things.

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                                  @Onj
                                  @jakobrosin

                                  That's really good to know, and it would link with another project I'm already doing.

                                  There's the risk people will tour without coming in, but I'm happy to risk that. The building the museum is in is the big draw for what I do anyway, so our patrons still most likely want the experience of being here anyway.

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                                  • markiejiang@mastodon.socialM markiejiang@mastodon.social

                                    @DarkSheepArts I'm sighted enough to walk without a cane and don't use braille normally (thus quite bad at it), but not enough to see "regular" prints in general (like menus etc) Museums in dim lights is where I can more or less see what is being exhibited but none of the texts. I normally use the phone to take photos and zoom it or text to speech. If there's a QR code that sends me directly to the text then that's more convenient.

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                                    @markiejiang

                                    That's good to know. Someone else has said the same thing.

                                    That would tie in with another project I'm doing already.

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                                    • miki@dragonscave.spaceM miki@dragonscave.space

                                      @DarkSheepArts If you do end up going with Braille, keep in mind that English has two Braille grades. Most native speakers will use and prefer grade2, which introduces abbreviations for common English words, prefixes and suffixes, think "have", "would" or "ing". However, many foreign visitors, *even those who both know Braille and can speak English, may not actually know grade 2 English Braille*, and need grade 1, which has no such abbreviations.

                                      In English-speaking countries, it's often assumed that what you want is grade2, but if the place has a lot of foreign visitors specifically, that may not always be the right choice.

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                                      @miki

                                      Thank you! That's really good to know.

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                                      • markiejiang@mastodon.socialM markiejiang@mastodon.social

                                        @DarkSheepArts I remember visiting The Victor Hugo House, they have a braille+large print map of the museum and a braille+large print (huge) "booklet" in every room for the contents and that was very nice. (A bit clumsy to carry around but their exhibition is permanent so they can afford that better I guess.)

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                                        @markiejiang

                                        We're permanent too, so that would be doable.

                                        I think Bletchley park in the UK has the same thing.

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                                        • darksheeparts@mastoart.socialD darksheeparts@mastoart.social

                                          @Onj
                                          @jakobrosin

                                          That's really good to know, and it would link with another project I'm already doing.

                                          There's the risk people will tour without coming in, but I'm happy to risk that. The building the museum is in is the big draw for what I do anyway, so our patrons still most likely want the experience of being here anyway.

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                                          @DarkSheepArts @jakobrosin Well I'm more than happy to help with sound design/audio work if need be.

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