Sometimes, people on Facebook don't know the Fediverse exists.

@stefan @hpod16 BlueSky has 4 Million active monthly users too. Lot of Gaming, Cats. And they cracked down on the hate. The moderators issued warnings about that and it slowly stopped. Companies do not like hate, they know people from all demographics use their product. That is something hateful people don't realize.

@project1enigma @benny @lucien @hpod16 people often mistake familiarity for ease, like when windows sysadmins complain about having to type a command on linux because it's "hard to remember" right before listing off their 12 pages of instructions on which 10 menus you have to go down and pixel hunt or a 200 character long registry keys you need to search for in regedit to fix a basic setting.

@mycotropic
Here are lists (in German): https://mastodon-listen.playground.54gradsoftware.de/?liste=hochschulen-mastodon-instance-GLOBAL
@szkodnix @hpod16

@MissWarcraft Maybe, but I don't think so. Political content seems to do really well on Bluesky, I see a ton of it getting shared widely.

I think it's just the toxic culture here. I've seen so many people driven out. There are too many self-righteous, gate-keepy people. On Bluesky, you can at least lock your replies, no wonder people feel safer there.

Compare the drop-off on https://mastodon-analytics.com vs https://bluefacts.app/bluesky-user-growth.

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@lucien which is one of the main reasons I greet every new person I see apply to our instance—so they immediately know someone here.

@hpod16

@MissWarcraft I think it's a combination of the fediverse attracting a more techy, less socially adept crowd, with no tools for defending against harassment and unhelpful comments.

There was a hope that at least some of it was due to Mastodon not showing all replies, so people would keep piling on, but I am not sure that was really the problem.

https://stefanbohacek.online/@stefan/115866763237888337

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@alice the internet needs more people like that

@lucien @hpod16 I kind of like that the barrier to entry is a little higher in the fediverse.

Keeps the worst people out by sheer laziness.

@hpod16 hope to see more of them here.

@hpod16 I don't hold out a lot of faith on the median level of intelligence or common sense for the FB crowd. Nothing surprises me with that lot any more.

@gunchleoc @lucien @hpod16
My experience of friendica was awful. Full of dodgy accounts and some very nasty porn. Otherwise the only posts I saw were from Mastodon.
I'm hoping it's improved since.

@hpod16 a special Facebook only for certified citizens of one place sounds like deepest hell

@hpod16 wow, great! @EUCommission

@Sarahw @gunchleoc @lucien @hpod16
Mainly depending the server you are connected.
We have choice, many choice, and we also can move from one to another, have several accounts, choose clients too.
That is so great.

@hpod16 @lucien You're welcome! I do think they should rename these to "direct messages", I think the #Mastodon has a hangup about the verbiage, although I can't remember exactly what it is or why.

@nelson@wetdry.world @hpod16@eupolicy.social yesn't. The group designing ActivityPub as protocol was probably international and intercontinental. But the biggest name in that space, Mastodon, is very much German software

@mstar @hpod16 that would be completely ignoring the huge impact of misskey and forks, and how many of the mastodon contributors are international

@nelson@wetdry.world @hpod16@eupolicy.social eh, not really. Sure, misskey is a big part now. But the big initial push was Mastodon. And, by share, Masto still runs on like 3/4 of all servers iirc. And you can still claim that Masto is German because the main driving force behind development is still the non-profit, located in Germany (even if German government bullshit caused them to also register in Canada iirc)

@mstar @hpod16 true, but to call the fediverse essentially an "european social media" is a gross misunderstanding and misrepresentation of what happens in the space, both of open source in general and just the nature of the fediverse as a network

@nelson@wetdry.world @hpod16@eupolicy.social I think some context might have got lost. Your initial question was if the fediverse was created in Europe. To which the answer is that the protocol wasn't, but the software that made it famous was, especially during that initial growth period.
Of course it's a lot more diverse nowadays and that diversity keeps increasing. One of the biggest seeds was and still is European though