@GhostOnTheHalfShell

You're talking to the straw man again.

Yes, a huge shift is necessary, but by posting how bad wind and PV are online (how's that 90kg of toxic waste feeling in your hands?) you're doing nothing to move the needle in the right direction.

Some things shouldn't be done (like the widespread use of LLMs, or our throwaway society) and the best way to minimise that environmental impact is to stop doing them, yes.

But there's lots of things we can't stop doing easily, fast, or at all (e.g. heating, cooling, agriculture, transport).

A good way there to reduce impact is to switch power usage to electricity and simultaneously improve our power generation abilities.

As an example:
BEV busses, trams and trains need less than a third of the total energy of cars or even diesel busses *and* the energy used is orders of magnitude cleaner. Especially in a future where production of these vehicles and their infrastructure is also powered by electricity.

@rahmstorf

@GhostOnTheHalfShell

You do realise that the mining necessary for renewable energy production is several orders of magnitude less than the mining necessary for extracting and using fossil fuels?

No one here pretends that renewable energies have no environmental impact, that's a straw man.

@rahmstorf

@Dillerjohann
Ah moment, jetzt versteh ich.
Ja klar, der Preis könnte noch niedriger sein ohne Merrit-Order.

@rahmstorf

@Dillerjohann
Das zweite Diagramm zeigt Tarife für Privathaushalte.

23ct/kWh ist was Neukunden derzeit im Schnitt zahlen.

Da haben die Stromlieferanten die Entwicklungen an den Strombörsen schon einkalkuliert.

@rahmstorf

@Saarriesling wie rechnet man da die Kostensteigerung von Öl und Gas wegen des Überfalls auf die Ukraine heraus?

Das hat den Strompreis erhöht aber ist ja wohl nicht Schuld von Photovoltaik und Windkraft, oder?

@rahmstorf

@Dillerjohann Was von "Strompreis für Privathaushalte" kommt beim Kunden nicht an?
@rahmstorf

@chuls

@chuls this is beautiful. It looks like a most inviting vertical forest.

Are you ok with using that as a screen wallpaper?

@zzt
I was tempted to make a joke about that other thing with a double-bottom, the Titanic.
I won’t because „what if something shivs the ship from stem to midships?“ actually was an edge case outside the design parameters and not an LLM-extruded //TODO

Well, maybe someone will make a heartrending film about Mozilla 85 years later…
@promovicz

@aredridel unfortunately, in corporate environments none of the gains that might show up are invested in those tasks* because allocation of resources is generally not in the hands of those who would see that as important.

*) at least I haven’t seen it

@EricLawton @unlambda @maco @futurebird @david_chisnall