@dr2chase Reducing white women to the status of chattel is important to the project; they can't do that without reversing the demographic transition as it applies to white people, too. And that unconcerned "kid died of measles" couple may well be representative.

They've deeply internalized "women, cattle, and slaves" and a Late Romantic "survival of the fittest" which ignores the actual environment and supposes some ideal person. Facts are not much involved anywhere.

@petealexharris @cstross

@petealexharris Taking it personally is a barrier to understanding, and understanding is necessary to (reliable) victory.

In a just or kind world, one should not be required to deal with such people, and yet the world we have is one subject to selection.

@cstross

@petealexharris It is, alas, nowhere near 99%.

The distinction may have operational utility in opposing their policies; for example, the "all these babies will die! look at the tombstones in old graveyards!" response to anti-vax policies functions to confirm the objectives and purposes of the anti-vax movement. It's about killing babies; that's what it wants. Telling its members that babies will die is not an effective means of dissuasion.

@cstross

@petealexharris A death cult is about everybody dying, usually because $DIETY has become disgusted with mankind and will slaughter everybody and the goal of the cult is to bring about that end of the world.

The Right contains some death cultists (Premillennial dispensationalism is extremely death cult) but most of what we're seeing is eliminationist; they want to extirpate everyone else and dwell alone in the earth. They themselves don't want to die or the world to end.

@cstross

@cstross Not precisely; they're not about generalized dying, they're willing to kill a lot of kids to maintain their status.

Can't enjoy that status if they're dead.

(Real death cults tend to be powerless people who want everyone to die as a means of escaping their circumstances. There's certainly some death cult members getting sucked into the grift but even those are mostly built on histrionics about a lack of white supremacy rather than material misery as such.)

@cstross If you want to reverse the demographic transition, you have to kill a lot of infants.

If you don't reverse the demographic transition, patriarchy goes away.

("The environment produces the organism" is always the case; other things are the case, too, but what you can have is constrained by the environment which exists, not which could exist. And for humans, cites are an environment and culture is an environment.)

Anti-vax is a "kill babies, keep patriarchy" movement.

@randahl Before you think about that, think about DNS.