@bkuhn @vkc Yeah, I haven’t used Gnome personally in a long time but when I did I remember seeing criticisms of it that seemed completely detached from reality, that in no way reflected the actual experience of using it.

20 years later, they’re still making the same criticisms. I admit I don’t know first-had, but I’m willing to bet that the criticisms didn’t magically become valid in the intervening time.

It’s always the same people, anyway, who never do anything but moan about systemd and/or wayland. (Wayland, especially, they’ll insist simply does not work at all, despite the evidence of thousands — millions? — of people using it regularly without issues.) These people can’t be taken seriously.