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  • sjn@chaos.socialS sjn@chaos.social

    Here's a thought experiment.

    Imagine a stamp mark with the words "Made with #AI" on it.

    If you see this mark on a picture, illustration, mobile app, song, movie, or story - do you get the notion that this product is of higher, lower or unchanged quality?

    If you see two identical products for the same price, where one has an AI mark and the other doesn't - which one would you buy?

    (Please retoot this #LLM #poll for wider reach)

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    #61

    @sjn@chaos.social I am tempted to push the answer "higher quality" for honeypot reasons, so AI products voluntarily unmask.

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    • daswarkeinhuhn@netzkae.seD daswarkeinhuhn@netzkae.se

      @sjn@chaos.social I am tempted to push the answer "higher quality" for honeypot reasons, so AI products voluntarily unmask.

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      #62

      @daswarkeinhuhn If you also have a surefire way of killing the thing after having tricked it to reveal itself, then I'd wholeheartedly agree with your strategy! 😆

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      • sjn@chaos.socialS sjn@chaos.social

        @gisgeek I think that strictly within the software development field, you may have a point - under the right circumstances.

        Sadly, these tools aren't _only_ used for supporting highly skilled software developers.

        Just take a look at your profile photo - clearly generated! What do you think this tells people about yourself?

        This is what I'm asking in the poll: Does the next person seeing that image associate it with a positive, negative, or no change in quality?

        Makes you think, no?

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        #63

        @sjn @gisgeek "I think that strictly within the software development field, you may have a point - under the right circumstances." hard disagree, and honestly, people thinking that putting bits of already existing code together until it looks like it working is the same as software development is insulting to say the least.

        Like, I can heap a lot of actual shit together in a river until stuff can pass to the other side and call it a bridge... but that doesn't make me an engineer.

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        • ainmosni@social.ainmosni.euA ainmosni@social.ainmosni.eu

          @sjn @gisgeek "I think that strictly within the software development field, you may have a point - under the right circumstances." hard disagree, and honestly, people thinking that putting bits of already existing code together until it looks like it working is the same as software development is insulting to say the least.

          Like, I can heap a lot of actual shit together in a river until stuff can pass to the other side and call it a bridge... but that doesn't make me an engineer.

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          #64

          @ainmosni @gisgeek Yeah. It's kinda funny too, actually.

          How long will it take (and how expensive will it become) before the "Vibers" out there find out software development isn't as easy as they imagined? 😃

          🍿

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          • sjn@chaos.socialS sjn@chaos.social

            @ainmosni @gisgeek Yeah. It's kinda funny too, actually.

            How long will it take (and how expensive will it become) before the "Vibers" out there find out software development isn't as easy as they imagined? 😃

            🍿

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            #65

            @sjn @gisgeek This feels so similar to cryptobros trying to speedrun all the mistakes of a finance system.

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            • sjn@chaos.socialS sjn@chaos.social

              @hopland I would agree, though if we allow ourselves to predict the future, we have to take #AI alignment issues into account.

              To me, this particular timeline looks quite undesirable given the current state of the art. #AGI #ASI

              (I'd even argue that #AIalignment is fundamentally unreachable, but that's a longer discussion)

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              #66

              @sjn to me, coming from both the culture scene AND the tech world, there's a distinct possibility that AI art can surpass the current artist - with some exceptions - without AI alignment.

              Art schools are founded on codes, rules - parameters, that focus largely on _method_, with an intent of going against convention.

              When AI can invent new art schools, when it can usher in new cultural movements by going against expectations - not by meeting them - that's when we've reached a turning point.

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              • hopland@snabelen.noH hopland@snabelen.no

                @sjn to me, coming from both the culture scene AND the tech world, there's a distinct possibility that AI art can surpass the current artist - with some exceptions - without AI alignment.

                Art schools are founded on codes, rules - parameters, that focus largely on _method_, with an intent of going against convention.

                When AI can invent new art schools, when it can usher in new cultural movements by going against expectations - not by meeting them - that's when we've reached a turning point.

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                #67

                @sjn but I agree with your statement. AI alignment needs to happen, but for my supposition to take it has to then go against alignment - in some way, shape or form.

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                • ainmosni@social.ainmosni.euA ainmosni@social.ainmosni.eu

                  @sjn @gisgeek This feels so similar to cryptobros trying to speedrun all the mistakes of a finance system.

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                  #68

                  @ainmosni @sjn @gisgeek that sounds like being similar to the hype part. For marketing, likely, it is better to hide all of this behind a fine(r) print.

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                  • gisgeek@floss.socialG gisgeek@floss.social

                    @rpbook @sjn
                    The truth is that copyright and licenses cannot be used to avoid abuses per se. They need to be defended in court, and I'm quite sure copyright laws will change, but you know that such laws vary from country to country, so the problem was there before and will be there in the future as well. In the past, changes in law always followed changes in technology. I see no signs of something better for the future.

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                    #69

                    @gisgeek @sjn

                    The truth is that copyright and licenses cannot be used to avoid abuses per se. They need to be defended in court

                    And when creators try to do that, we're told that the law can't be enforced because it would destroy the AI industry.

                    They had the money to buy ebooks for training, but they chose to pirate the books instead. Then, having been caught in a clear case of copyright infringement, they're trying to avoid any consequences.

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                    • sjn@chaos.socialS sjn@chaos.social

                      Here's a thought experiment.

                      Imagine a stamp mark with the words "Made with #AI" on it.

                      If you see this mark on a picture, illustration, mobile app, song, movie, or story - do you get the notion that this product is of higher, lower or unchanged quality?

                      If you see two identical products for the same price, where one has an AI mark and the other doesn't - which one would you buy?

                      (Please retoot this #LLM #poll for wider reach)

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                      #70

                      @sjn

                      - AI Mark Signals DO NOT BUY

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                      • sjn@chaos.socialS sjn@chaos.social

                        Here's a thought experiment.

                        Imagine a stamp mark with the words "Made with #AI" on it.

                        If you see this mark on a picture, illustration, mobile app, song, movie, or story - do you get the notion that this product is of higher, lower or unchanged quality?

                        If you see two identical products for the same price, where one has an AI mark and the other doesn't - which one would you buy?

                        (Please retoot this #LLM #poll for wider reach)

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                        #71

                        @sjn There's this streaming service called Frndly that uses AI to generated the uncanniest of ads.

                        If you use AI for something that seems like it would be really simple to to do ... what else are you using AI for? And what other corners are you cutting?

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                        • sjn@chaos.socialS sjn@chaos.social

                          Here's a thought experiment.

                          Imagine a stamp mark with the words "Made with #AI" on it.

                          If you see this mark on a picture, illustration, mobile app, song, movie, or story - do you get the notion that this product is of higher, lower or unchanged quality?

                          If you see two identical products for the same price, where one has an AI mark and the other doesn't - which one would you buy?

                          (Please retoot this #LLM #poll for wider reach)

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                          #72

                          @sjn

                          I said lower but in reality it probably doesn't affect quality (yet) … but it does indicate that the vendor is confused about many things and that I don't need to give them money.

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