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People should be able to write software for Android, and distribute it outside Google's Play store, without having to:

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  • bamboombibbitybop@mastodon.socialB bamboombibbitybop@mastodon.social

    @neil Any idea whether this would impact GrapheneOS users?

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    #31

    @bamboombibbitybop
    https://discuss.grapheneos.org/d/32033-android-app-lockdown
    @neil

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    • neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.ukN neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.uk

      People should be able to write software for Android, and distribute it outside Google's Play store, without having to:

      * pay Google
      * give government ID to Google
      * agree to Google terms and conditions

      People should be able to install the software they want on their phone, from sources other than Google's Play store, without having to jump through Google-imposed hoops.

      e.g. via F-Droid.

      We've got until September this year to stop Google squeezing the open Android ecosystem.

      https://keepandroidopen.org/

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      #32

      @neil @jrdepriest for both Google and Apple, I’d really like their built in stores to be all about trust and uphold a guarantee that apps have been checked and conform to a level of safety privacy accessibility and reliability to reach the App Store. Give a choice of where to download from, but also make the App Store presence mean something

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      • trimtab@mastodon.socialT trimtab@mastodon.social

        @neil
        Not saying i agree with Google. But how is the OS community going to fight the forces of evil trying to hijack our code?

        Between malware labs, ai slop and slop powered malware labs, i am worried. The idea of making sure real accountable humans are writing honest code seems appealing....

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        #33

        @TrimTab @neil I would say the OS community can offer tools, but it is up to the app store operators to decide what they can host, and we certainly should not be putting the final say for other app stores in the hands of a company that does not successfully manage their own.

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        • neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.ukN neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.uk

          People should be able to write software for Android, and distribute it outside Google's Play store, without having to:

          * pay Google
          * give government ID to Google
          * agree to Google terms and conditions

          People should be able to install the software they want on their phone, from sources other than Google's Play store, without having to jump through Google-imposed hoops.

          e.g. via F-Droid.

          We've got until September this year to stop Google squeezing the open Android ecosystem.

          https://keepandroidopen.org/

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          #34

          @neil There is nothing to "keep" open. Android was never open. They astroturfed an entire "open alliance" to... force all participants to push their apps and prohibit any and all forks. Since like 2008!

          Android was never open, and at least they're finally honest about it.

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          • neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.ukN neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.uk

            People should be able to write software for Android, and distribute it outside Google's Play store, without having to:

            * pay Google
            * give government ID to Google
            * agree to Google terms and conditions

            People should be able to install the software they want on their phone, from sources other than Google's Play store, without having to jump through Google-imposed hoops.

            e.g. via F-Droid.

            We've got until September this year to stop Google squeezing the open Android ecosystem.

            https://keepandroidopen.org/

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            #35

            @neil Honestly why we should be focusing on real linux distros for mobile devices. Android is frankly already fruit from the poisonous tree.

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            • neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.ukN neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.uk

              People should be able to write software for Android, and distribute it outside Google's Play store, without having to:

              * pay Google
              * give government ID to Google
              * agree to Google terms and conditions

              People should be able to install the software they want on their phone, from sources other than Google's Play store, without having to jump through Google-imposed hoops.

              e.g. via F-Droid.

              We've got until September this year to stop Google squeezing the open Android ecosystem.

              https://keepandroidopen.org/

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              #36

              @neil GrapheneOS!

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              • ancientsounds@mastodonapp.ukA ancientsounds@mastodonapp.uk

                @neil
                You're in the legal biz Neil (I think?): is this a question on which the Competition & Markets Authority have some jurisdiction? I guess, bcs Apple, it's not strictly creating a monopoly, but it's definitely restricting the market.

                neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.ukN This user is from outside of this forum
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                #37

                @ancientsounds F-Droid has been talking to various competition regulators, yes.

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                • bamboombibbitybop@mastodon.socialB bamboombibbitybop@mastodon.social

                  @neil Any idea whether this would impact GrapheneOS users?

                  neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.ukN This user is from outside of this forum
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                  #38

                  @bamboombibbitybop It will not.

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                  • davemasondotme@mastodon.socialD davemasondotme@mastodon.social

                    @neil

                    Can Android be saved?
                    I say no--it's too late.

                    https://mastodon.social/@DaveMasonDotMe/116077995885754163

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                    #39

                    @DaveMasonDotMe Quite possibly!

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                    • neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.ukN neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.uk

                      People should be able to write software for Android, and distribute it outside Google's Play store, without having to:

                      * pay Google
                      * give government ID to Google
                      * agree to Google terms and conditions

                      People should be able to install the software they want on their phone, from sources other than Google's Play store, without having to jump through Google-imposed hoops.

                      e.g. via F-Droid.

                      We've got until September this year to stop Google squeezing the open Android ecosystem.

                      https://keepandroidopen.org/

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                      #40

                      @neil @linuzifer wäre das nicht auch was für @lnp ? liebe den podcasf btw

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