What’s it like living in Minneapolis / St. Paul right now?
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@sophieschmieg @paul_ipv6 @inthehands
polices job is to stand between homeless people and shelter, as well as starving people and food
@RosethornRanger @sophieschmieg @paul_ipv6
If they’re in Minneapolis, their job is apparently to •bulldoze• the shelter -
We have seen now from the many phone calls made to 911 that the police will not get involved. We are on our own when it comes to ICE.
@lor @gbargoud @inthehands @Nerde@beige.party that "protect & serve" nonsense is looking pretty shaky right now...
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What’s it like living in Minneapolis / St. Paul right now?
This weekend, ICE abducted two people straight out of a car near where I live. Just straight up stopped the car and took them.
I found out because neighbors were trying to figure out what to do with the car, which ICE just left there blocking the street.
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@lor @gbargoud @inthehands @Nerde@beige.party that "protect & serve" nonsense is looking pretty shaky right now...
@Vonskinnback @lor @gbargoud @inthehands
In Uvalde, 40% of the city budget goes to policing.
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-05-28/why-police-funding-makes-up-40-uvalde-s-city-budgetDespite extensive training, they still let a school full of kids & their teachers die.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/mar/07/uvalde-police-failures-school-shooting-investigation
https://www.propublica.org/article/uvalde-officer-student-trainings-mass-shootings
Perhaps taking a preventive approach to ICE terrorism would be better.
Public hearings, criminal charges, and lawsuits would inform the taxpayers where their money should be going instead.
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@regordane @noodlemaz @inthehands
The point is to draw more people into the fight! The “street stones” function the same way that “Fight Back” wall murals by street artists do. Declare this space or territory “ours!”@Radaghaz @noodlemaz @inthehands
No. They really really don't. The street stones serve as a memorial and a reminder to those who already know, after the enemy has been defeated. At this stage they would be a complete irrelevance and would not even be noticed by those who need to be mobilised
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@gbargoud @Nerde
Yes, a big question here is what •kind• of protection we’re demanding and from •whom•.The Minneapolis Police have very low trust. They’re officially forbidden by the city from assisting ICE, but…few people imagine they’re not on ICE’s side. Some argue we should demand their protection anyway to force the issue; others don’t want to touch them with a 10 foot pole.
Gov Walz has talked about mobilizing the Minnesota National Guard to keep the peace. That’s a more credible idea — they’re a lot less fashy than the Mpls Police — but still not clear that would be welcome. One idea I’m warm to is having •unarmed• NG protecting vulnerable locations.
Trump is a wannabe mafia don.
His enforcers are hired for their thuggery, not long-term thinking.
Every democracy faces that difficult decision of recognizing when a supposedly public service funded by taxpayers, is turned into a system of support for public graft.
Police inaction in the face of violations of Constitutional rights, begs the question "What the Heck are We Paying You For?"
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/jun/04/uvalde-police-training-school-shooter-response-time
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@Radaghaz @noodlemaz @inthehands
No. They really really don't. The street stones serve as a memorial and a reminder to those who already know, after the enemy has been defeated. At this stage they would be a complete irrelevance and would not even be noticed by those who need to be mobilised
@regordane @Radaghaz @noodlemaz
There has been talk here about putting “ICE abducted someone here” signs out around town. That would have a very different tone and a very different purpose from stones placed solemnly after the fact. I hope we can agree that all these different things have their place, and that the folks dealing with ICE right now have the capacity to choose what works in the place where they live.
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Trump is a wannabe mafia don.
His enforcers are hired for their thuggery, not long-term thinking.
Every democracy faces that difficult decision of recognizing when a supposedly public service funded by taxpayers, is turned into a system of support for public graft.
Police inaction in the face of violations of Constitutional rights, begs the question "What the Heck are We Paying You For?"
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/jun/04/uvalde-police-training-school-shooter-response-time
@Npars01 @inthehands @gbargoud @Nerde
US police don't exist to protect you from criminals; they exist to protect wealthy people from YOU. -
@Npars01 @inthehands @gbargoud @Nerde
US police don't exist to protect you from criminals; they exist to protect wealthy people from YOU.@tofugolem @Npars01 @inthehands @gbargoud @Nerde I listen to a police/fire scanner some nights while I'm gaming. A fair number of calls are about criminalizing homelessness. It's always sad to hear the cops called for "illegal camping" and the fire engines called out for "illegal fire".
It's cold outside. If people had a choice, they wouldn't be sleeping in a tent or burning garbage and pallets to keep warm.
So I assume that part of the job of the cops is to make sure that anyone not being a good little cog in the machine for the wealthy is publicly tormented so that everyone living on the edge becomes terrified of things getting even worse.
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The car appears to be a rental. It had Amazon packages in the back seat — just received? Or (more likely) being delivered? Probably these were people just out there doing their delivery job, try to make ends meet.
But we don’t know, because nobody was able to find out who they are.
I hope they get out. I hope they get their car back. I hope a lot of things.
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@inthehands Keep hoping Paul. It’s important.
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@regordane @Radaghaz @noodlemaz
There has been talk here about putting “ICE abducted someone here” signs out around town. That would have a very different tone and a very different purpose from stones placed solemnly after the fact. I hope we can agree that all these different things have their place, and that the folks dealing with ICE right now have the capacity to choose what works in the place where they live.
@inthehands @regordane @Radaghaz @noodlemaz
Tbh, Stolpersteine specifically shouldn't be used for this, for the reason Hilary mentioned, but I very much like the idea of putting up signs. It's much easier to ignore or downplay this when you just hear some numbers in the news or "a friend's cousin of my aunt said..." When you drive down a road on your way to the grocery store and keep seeing these on regular buildings looking just like your own, it might feel different for some.
However, I wouldn't put one specifically in front of houses with names and all but maybe on the corner of a street, as number of people who have been taken from the neighbourhood or so. As much as one would like to hope this wouldn't happen, some people out there truly have no shame and would consider this an invitation for looting, or vandalizing in case of MAGA heads.
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@inthehands Keep hoping Paul. It’s important.
@Remittancegirl
Thanks, Madeleine. -
@inthehands @regordane @Radaghaz @noodlemaz
Tbh, Stolpersteine specifically shouldn't be used for this, for the reason Hilary mentioned, but I very much like the idea of putting up signs. It's much easier to ignore or downplay this when you just hear some numbers in the news or "a friend's cousin of my aunt said..." When you drive down a road on your way to the grocery store and keep seeing these on regular buildings looking just like your own, it might feel different for some.
However, I wouldn't put one specifically in front of houses with names and all but maybe on the corner of a street, as number of people who have been taken from the neighbourhood or so. As much as one would like to hope this wouldn't happen, some people out there truly have no shame and would consider this an invitation for looting, or vandalizing in case of MAGA heads.
@Sirablopp @regordane @Radaghaz @noodlemaz
Yes, discussions run along these lines.One thing that might not be obvious: many (most?) abductions are not from homes. Like the one in the OP!
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The car appears to be a rental. It had Amazon packages in the back seat — just received? Or (more likely) being delivered? Probably these were people just out there doing their delivery job, try to make ends meet.
But we don’t know, because nobody was able to find out who they are.
I hope they get out. I hope they get their car back. I hope a lot of things.
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@inthehands Dunno if you saw this yet.
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@inthehands Dunno if you saw this yet.
@solitha
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@inthehands - We had that here, too. People just weren't there anymore.
About 50 years later, people started remembering. After some fights with local governments, it has become typical to place brass cobblestones in front of their houses with names, birthdates, and the Concentration Camp where they were murdered or perished.
You can find them on many inner city sidewalks.The degree to which they are hated by some is testament to how necessary they are.
@axel_hartmann @inthehands The brass markers you mention, especially those in Berlin, were very emotional for me when I first saw them. I’m sure it was more so for the people who live there. I am surprised that some people there hate them, but why should they be different? It is much the same reaction to the signs in the US that memorialize lynchings but I think the racial animus runs much deeper.
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@codemonkeymike @inthehands @Netux it might feel inefficient, but have a read about the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3.5%25_rule
@Ketakater @codemonkeymike @inthehands @Netux@mastodon.sdf.org People create traffic jams every day. It’s easy. Too bad if traffic were to inconvenience #ICE everywhere they go.
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What’s it like living in Minneapolis / St. Paul right now?
This weekend, ICE abducted two people straight out of a car near where I live. Just straight up stopped the car and took them.
I found out because neighbors were trying to figure out what to do with the car, which ICE just left there blocking the street.
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@inthehands I don't know the folks in your part of the world, I do know the ones in L.A. and I"m really surprised some of ICE hasn't just gone missing. I'm in Alaska and keep wondering what would happen if ICE went after the Natives here. I do know that Polar Bears like to play with ICE, tho maybe the killer whales would come to help.
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@codemonkeymike @inthehands @Netux it might feel inefficient, but have a read about the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/3.5%25_rule
@Ketakater @codemonkeymike @inthehands in any real analysis of what breaks authoritarian power, it has a large portion to do with who has weapons and is willing to use them. Take a broader look at the rest of what was going on in places where peaceful protest did the work. It's after the fact that it gets credit, there are other things going on that give the history and the winners a reason to push it out of the books so peaceful protest gets the credit.
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@tofugolem @Npars01 @inthehands @gbargoud @Nerde I listen to a police/fire scanner some nights while I'm gaming. A fair number of calls are about criminalizing homelessness. It's always sad to hear the cops called for "illegal camping" and the fire engines called out for "illegal fire".
It's cold outside. If people had a choice, they wouldn't be sleeping in a tent or burning garbage and pallets to keep warm.
So I assume that part of the job of the cops is to make sure that anyone not being a good little cog in the machine for the wealthy is publicly tormented so that everyone living on the edge becomes terrified of things getting even worse.
@grumble209 @Npars01 @inthehands @gbargoud @Nerde
Reminder: Homeless people are not the problem, but the evidence of the problem.That problem is capitalism failing at the most basic possible function of an economic system.
