If in the EU. Try WERO and tell your bank how to make it better if you truly care about an alternative to PayPal and the Visa/Master duopoly.
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The expected „yes, but“ is strong in the replies.
(I will now go to bed, so the "yes,, but" crowd will have its playing field until I wake up again and post friendly replies with links on how they are wrong. My advice: Try Wero, note it isn't perfect, tell Wero and your bank what is needed for you to switch fully. We can do this 
@jwildeboer I tried it on two banks.. On both ends I reached out to the customer support. They filed an issue which both are not resolved until today..
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@Commander_KEEN Commerzbank "Wir beobachten diese Entwicklung interessiert und evaluieren vor allem die Abhängigkeiten zu einer möglichen Einführung eines digitalen Euro." [1] So talk to them and tell them you really want Wero now.
Al gedaan!
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@prefec2 Yep. The nitpicking by @ParadeGrotesque is based on lack of basic research
I think it's a misunderstanding.
I know wero is not Visa / MasterCard / Amex, I was trying to point out that the US credit card system is made out of these 3 companies.
Wero is, of course, its own thing.
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If in the EU. Try WERO and tell your bank how to make it better if you truly care about an alternative to PayPal and the Visa/Master duopoly. Don’t expect the perfect solution. Understand that alternatives are never better or perfect from the get-go but that we need to tell them through using them how to become better and better. Be a pioneer, not a follower
Thanks for your post.
While checking I realized that Triodos Bank plans to leave Germany in 2027. Makes me sad that there will be fewer options in this niche of sustainable banking.
Guess I have a good list of choices with those supporting WERO. -
I think it's a misunderstanding.
I know wero is not Visa / MasterCard / Amex, I was trying to point out that the US credit card system is made out of these 3 companies.
Wero is, of course, its own thing.
@ParadeGrotesque @jwildeboer ah ok. That's true and they are currently very dominant. However, we have to start somewhere. And Wero seems to be the best current option. I hope it gets adopted all around the EU. And later elsewhere or even better become interoperable with services in other countries and continents.
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If in the EU. Try WERO and tell your bank how to make it better if you truly care about an alternative to PayPal and the Visa/Master duopoly. Don’t expect the perfect solution. Understand that alternatives are never better or perfect from the get-go but that we need to tell them through using them how to become better and better. Be a pioneer, not a follower
Oh great, finally we’ll be able to be independent from the US, we just need a smartphone certified by Google or Apple...
And it looks like they’ve done everything possible to make their infrastructure independent from the US as well :
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@codingGarden Doch, die Verträge sind unterschrieben. https://epicompany.eu/media-insights/europa-and-epi-launch-collaboration-to-expand-sovereign-pan-european-payments
@jwildeboer wow, danke dir! Das hätte ich nicht mal zu hoffen gewagt. Richtig gut.
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If in the EU. Try WERO and tell your bank how to make it better if you truly care about an alternative to PayPal and the Visa/Master duopoly. Don’t expect the perfect solution. Understand that alternatives are never better or perfect from the get-go but that we need to tell them through using them how to become better and better. Be a pioneer, not a follower
@jwildeboer sadly, Wero is still not available in many EU countries. Even with Revolut
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@jeroen Switzerland isn't EU member, so they will always have their own thing that I can't use when visiting there. But cash still works
You did note how I started this thread with "If in the EU. Try WERO ..."?@jwildeboer yep; but that article also mentions that if uptake is high enough they might join forces
And agree that that is annoying, same in reverse when leaving .ch -
If in the EU. Try WERO and tell your bank how to make it better if you truly care about an alternative to PayPal and the Visa/Master duopoly. Don’t expect the perfect solution. Understand that alternatives are never better or perfect from the get-go but that we need to tell them through using them how to become better and better. Be a pioneer, not a follower
@jwildeboer Can someone help me understand why we need this given we have a fully functioning SEPA payment system? Arent these apps really only relevant in the US because their payement systems are so fragmented? -
@panda4x4 keep on asking.
@jwildeboer Indeed, we already have a national system, but we're en route
https://epicompany.eu/media-insights/europa-and-epi-launch-collaboration-to-expand-sovereign-pan-european-payments -
"But I have Bizum and it's so good" -> It joins Wero https://epicompany.eu/media-insights/europa-and-epi-launch-collaboration-to-expand-sovereign-pan-european-payments
"But I have iDeal and it's so good" -> It joins Wero https://ideal.nl/en/naar-wero
Yes and in Belgium most people have Payconiq and they are also joining Wero. 🥳
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@mc Tell them. PayPal and Visa/Master aren’t better in that regard. Change through use beats criticising from the sidelines.
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If in the EU. Try WERO and tell your bank how to make it better if you truly care about an alternative to PayPal and the Visa/Master duopoly. Don’t expect the perfect solution. Understand that alternatives are never better or perfect from the get-go but that we need to tell them through using them how to become better and better. Be a pioneer, not a follower
@jwildeboer I have transformed my daughter and partner already. I was even able to pay my barber last time. It starts slow, but it starts.
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