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  • denny@boing.worldD denny@boing.world
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    #9

    @denny a very interesting idea and well worth exploring further. I wonder if the legislative framework would allow local councils to impose such a law?

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      #10

      @denny There used to be a time when factories built homes for the workers.

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      • denny@boing.worldD denny@boing.world
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        #11

        @denny We have something similar to that here in Greenville. Rent on new construction designated as “Affordable Housing” is based on income. Rent can be as little as $650 per month and the housing is located in desirable areas, near downtown, for example. Developers get tax breaks and sometimes the City of Greenville donates the land.

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        • denny@boing.worldD denny@boing.world
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          #12

          @denny That sounds rather social-democratic to me. At least from a german point of view.

          Not ro dismiss the idea or anything, just sharing my thoughts.

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            #13

            @denny Did anyone stop to consider that they are one and the same in many instances. That's why the rents are the way they are because not only are landlords and "bosses" one and the same, they are also in some instances at least in Ireland TDs as well.

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              #14

              @denny #TwoPercentOfRent was my proposal for this. Glad to see the idea popping up elsewhere.

              Minimum hourly wage to be 2% of the median monthly housing unit cost in the county or parish where the work is performed.

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                #15

                @denny

                100% small businesses should be reminded on a daily basis that low cost of living locally means lower wage pressure for them and more money in their potential customer’s pockets.

                Small business, especially should be an ally with their customers and employees deciding what should be infrastructure for their community.

                The worst struggle in a city like San Francisco, for instance for restaurants is the cost of living here. And in fact, I think the DSW is lobbying for social housing.

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                • denny@boing.worldD denny@boing.world
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                  #16

                  @denny Shorter route: flat tax rate of 10%, and make Behavioral Science core education. Less and less root cause analysis, equals more and more baseless insanity.

                  Phi your Pi (Spin Physics)

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                  • autkin@fosstodon.orgA autkin@fosstodon.org

                    @denny I wish. The upper classes will respond by
                    - slicing up the rental apartments so that you have to rent storage facilities
                    - spread rumors of renters committing fraud by renting out multiple apartments per household

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                    #17

                    @autkin @denny Most likely someone will argue that there should be classes of income levels in this kind of system.
                    You can't just base this of minimum wage and so on.

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                    • denny@boing.worldD denny@boing.world
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                      #18

                      @denny Here's my class warfare idea: Tie ropes around the necks of bosses and landlords, and tie the other end to the top of lamp posts.

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                      • autkin@fosstodon.orgA autkin@fosstodon.org

                        @denny I wish. The upper classes will respond by
                        - slicing up the rental apartments so that you have to rent storage facilities
                        - spread rumors of renters committing fraud by renting out multiple apartments per household

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                        #19

                        @autkin @denny Water and electricity bill prices immediately going up in response lol

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                          #20

                          @denny

                          I love the idea - though it is a bit overstated by thatspectacularpigeon. Setting *max* rent relative to *min* wage feels too extreme. Not that I don't think that should be the goal, it's just too much of a reach from our current state.

                          Walking-mirage's interpretation seems for plausible as a lofty bot potentially achievable dream: tie average rent to minimum wage.

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                            #21

                            @denny

                            Oh this is good.

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                            • afx@infosec.exchangeA afx@infosec.exchange

                              @denny There used to be a time when factories built homes for the workers.

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                              #22

                              @afx

                              And they charged the workers rent to live there. They were paid in company scrip, useful only in the company store and to pay rent. It was one step above outright slavery.

                              @denny

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                                #23

                                @denny
                                I wonder what effect this would have on home prices. I suspect it would have a deflationary effect, which would anger landlords but make it easier for people to own their own homes.

                                I'm for it.

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                                • evoscale@c.imE evoscale@c.im

                                  @denny Shorter route: flat tax rate of 10%, and make Behavioral Science core education. Less and less root cause analysis, equals more and more baseless insanity.

                                  Phi your Pi (Spin Physics)

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                                  #24

                                  @EvoScale @denny
                                  Flat taxes are regressive and lead inevitably to more income inequality. Setting a low flat tax rate means municipalities must charge higher sales and property taxes, which make up a higher proportion of poor people's incomes. Non-homeowners see the latter in the form of higher rents.

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                                  • ralfmaximus@mastodon.socialR ralfmaximus@mastodon.social

                                    @afx

                                    And they charged the workers rent to live there. They were paid in company scrip, useful only in the company store and to pay rent. It was one step above outright slavery.

                                    @denny

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                                    #25

                                    and the threat of "you complain about anything at work and we kick your family out of the house in the middle of the night" was part of that.

                                    The more reasonable version is something like, when a city agrees to the infrastructure for a big factory, the factory pays to build housing that is then either public or sold to the workers at a wage-reasonable cost.

                                    @ralfmaximus @afx @denny

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                                      #26

                                      @denny that’s actually a great idea but I could easily see them making loop holes or exceptions for these people

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                                      • ralfmaximus@mastodon.socialR ralfmaximus@mastodon.social

                                        @afx

                                        And they charged the workers rent to live there. They were paid in company scrip, useful only in the company store and to pay rent. It was one step above outright slavery.

                                        @denny

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                                        #27

                                        @ralfmaximus @denny @clew

                                        We are talking about different centuries and probably different countries. My reference is the Ruhrgebiet as well as Munich in Germany. Margarete Krupp at the beginning of the 20th century for example.

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                                        • afx@infosec.exchangeA afx@infosec.exchange

                                          @ralfmaximus @denny @clew

                                          We are talking about different centuries and probably different countries. My reference is the Ruhrgebiet as well as Munich in Germany. Margarete Krupp at the beginning of the 20th century for example.

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                                          #28

                                          Do you know what were the constraints on how the factory managed the housing? Always interesting to get into the details of anything that worked!

                                          @afx @ralfmaximus @denny

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