This blogpost makes an astoundingly good case about LLMs I hadn't considered before.
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@cwebber ... labour. A population that needs to be educated and mobile enough to fulfil their task. Such a population tends to demand more say in the affairs of state.
So natural resources lead to tyrannies, and lack thereof to democracies.
Privatisation of knowledge is a way of creating artificial resources to extract with fewer labourers. Plus, the more that extraction is automated, the smaller the population a ruler needs - or the more precarious their existence.
That is the goal.
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@cwebber The number of times someone would DM me on a forum asking me for private help, and I would always tell them to ask on the public forum so that everyone else could benefit … and they never did.
The “fuck the community, I’ve got mine” is stronger than ever.
@futzle @cwebber
When newbies encounter toxicity for asking their question on a public forum, cannot really blame them for turning to a LLM.
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@futzle @cwebber
When newbies encounter toxicity for asking their question on a public forum, cannot really blame them for turning to a LLM.
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This blogpost makes an astoundingly good case about LLMs I hadn't considered before. The collapse of public forums (like Stack Overflow) for programming answers coincides directly with the rise of programmers asking for answers from chatbots *directly*. Those debugging sessions become part of a training set that now *only private LLM corporations have access to*. This is something that "open models" seemingly can't easily fight. https://michiel.buddingh.eu/enclosure-feedback-loop
@cwebber I agree. There is less public information for future training for anyone as well as similar code due to more AI written software also in the open space. I expect an input standstill until someone invents non-LLM AI for coding.
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This blogpost makes an astoundingly good case about LLMs I hadn't considered before. The collapse of public forums (like Stack Overflow) for programming answers coincides directly with the rise of programmers asking for answers from chatbots *directly*. Those debugging sessions become part of a training set that now *only private LLM corporations have access to*. This is something that "open models" seemingly can't easily fight. https://michiel.buddingh.eu/enclosure-feedback-loop
@cwebber Well, people went to StackOverflow with a question and looked forward to answers based on the experience of others. While one can still ask an LLM and give a rubber-duck training session for its provider, I still fail to see the influx of answers based on experience.
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This blogpost makes an astoundingly good case about LLMs I hadn't considered before. The collapse of public forums (like Stack Overflow) for programming answers coincides directly with the rise of programmers asking for answers from chatbots *directly*. Those debugging sessions become part of a training set that now *only private LLM corporations have access to*. This is something that "open models" seemingly can't easily fight. https://michiel.buddingh.eu/enclosure-feedback-loop
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Wait, if AI caused the collapse of wrong-answers-only sites like stackoverflow, doesn't that mean they have positive uses? -
This blogpost makes an astoundingly good case about LLMs I hadn't considered before. The collapse of public forums (like Stack Overflow) for programming answers coincides directly with the rise of programmers asking for answers from chatbots *directly*. Those debugging sessions become part of a training set that now *only private LLM corporations have access to*. This is something that "open models" seemingly can't easily fight. https://michiel.buddingh.eu/enclosure-feedback-loop
@cwebber but also, as uninviting as the stack overflow culture may have been, the moderators were there to try to get people to ask better questions. I doubt llms will handle things like x/y problem issues, so to me it seems things will get worse for people able/willing to pay as well.
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