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Is there a reliable way with #nvdasr to figure out what display an app is running on and to move a window to another display?

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    #1

    Is there a reliable way with #nvdasr to figure out what display an app is running on and to move a window to another display? #screenReader @NVAccess

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    • zersiax@cupoftea.socialZ zersiax@cupoftea.social

      Is there a reliable way with #nvdasr to figure out what display an app is running on and to move a window to another display? #screenReader @NVAccess

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      Looks like no, not really. Windows tries, but in my specific build at least when I move an app from, say, Display 1 to display 2, it helpfully tells me that the window is now on "display 1 2".
      Ahh yes ... display 1 2, the audio engineer display #testingOneTwo #thisClearlyWasNotTested
      Maybe the AI said it would be ok? #slop

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      • zersiax@cupoftea.socialZ zersiax@cupoftea.social

        Looks like no, not really. Windows tries, but in my specific build at least when I move an app from, say, Display 1 to display 2, it helpfully tells me that the window is now on "display 1 2".
        Ahh yes ... display 1 2, the audio engineer display #testingOneTwo #thisClearlyWasNotTested
        Maybe the AI said it would be ok? #slop

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        #3

        @zersiax Not the answer you're likely looking for, but I'd snap a picture with my phone using <insert app here> and see which display shows which app.

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        • freakyfwoof@universeodon.comF freakyfwoof@universeodon.com

          @zersiax Not the answer you're likely looking for, but I'd snap a picture with my phone using <insert app here> and see which display shows which app.

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          #4

          @FreakyFwoof 🙂 This is actually a virtual display so that wouldn't really work but I ended up doing something similar by screenshotting a display capture in OBS. I was considering this for streaming multiple apps without streaming my entire display and for that purpose I'd need something a bit more speedy, but this does work in a pinch and is particularly helpful when doing live presentations/demos, as you can use win+alt+left/right to move the focused window from one display to another, and win+arrows to snap it to a portion of that display which lets you, say, put a web browser and a powerpoint/music program side by side. I know you generally do stuff on the mac when you demo but figured it might be useful nonetheless if you ever don't 🙂

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          • zersiax@cupoftea.socialZ zersiax@cupoftea.social

            @FreakyFwoof 🙂 This is actually a virtual display so that wouldn't really work but I ended up doing something similar by screenshotting a display capture in OBS. I was considering this for streaming multiple apps without streaming my entire display and for that purpose I'd need something a bit more speedy, but this does work in a pinch and is particularly helpful when doing live presentations/demos, as you can use win+alt+left/right to move the focused window from one display to another, and win+arrows to snap it to a portion of that display which lets you, say, put a web browser and a powerpoint/music program side by side. I know you generally do stuff on the mac when you demo but figured it might be useful nonetheless if you ever don't 🙂

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            #5

            @zersiax Info like that is always good to have for sure.

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            • zersiax@cupoftea.socialZ zersiax@cupoftea.social

              Looks like no, not really. Windows tries, but in my specific build at least when I move an app from, say, Display 1 to display 2, it helpfully tells me that the window is now on "display 1 2".
              Ahh yes ... display 1 2, the audio engineer display #testingOneTwo #thisClearlyWasNotTested
              Maybe the AI said it would be ok? #slop

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              #6

              Obligatory "why would you care about this when you're blind" follow-up:

              - Windows that hang out where you could theoretically see them are less likely to get backgrounded, this is particularly useful for browser tabs that go to sleep otherwise
              - If you're sharing your screen in a meeting it can be helpful to only share a screen that has what you want on it, same goes for streams or screenshots although I'm not sure how to accessibly screenshot a specific screen
              - Isolating apps to their own display can sometimes help with OCR results if there's a bunch of apps overlapping or getting in each other's way somehow

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              • zersiax@cupoftea.socialZ zersiax@cupoftea.social

                Obligatory "why would you care about this when you're blind" follow-up:

                - Windows that hang out where you could theoretically see them are less likely to get backgrounded, this is particularly useful for browser tabs that go to sleep otherwise
                - If you're sharing your screen in a meeting it can be helpful to only share a screen that has what you want on it, same goes for streams or screenshots although I'm not sure how to accessibly screenshot a specific screen
                - Isolating apps to their own display can sometimes help with OCR results if there's a bunch of apps overlapping or getting in each other's way somehow

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                #7

                @zersiax Possibly even just shifting said app to it's own virtual desktop might work too?

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                • freakyfwoof@universeodon.comF freakyfwoof@universeodon.com

                  @zersiax Possibly even just shifting said app to it's own virtual desktop might work too?

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                  #8

                  @FreakyFwoof yeah that gets interesting because I believe once you switch away from the virtual desktop you are now not "looking" at it which i believe often gets interpreted as "you're not using this, let's save resources". But yes, that can be another way to isolate it if that's what you're trying to do 🙂

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                  • zersiax@cupoftea.socialZ zersiax@cupoftea.social

                    @FreakyFwoof yeah that gets interesting because I believe once you switch away from the virtual desktop you are now not "looking" at it which i believe often gets interpreted as "you're not using this, let's save resources". But yes, that can be another way to isolate it if that's what you're trying to do 🙂

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                    #9

                    @zersiax Well you can toss terminal windows there and they still behave and work in the background.

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                    • freakyfwoof@universeodon.comF freakyfwoof@universeodon.com

                      @zersiax Well you can toss terminal windows there and they still behave and work in the background.

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                      #10

                      @FreakyFwoof you can, yes. I've mostly seen this aggressive throttling in browsers and some chrome apps, but of course, not all of them. Slack and Discord don't care if you don't look at them all day, the new WhatsApp seems to not love being focused after you leave it for a while at least in my tests. It's wonderfully inconsistent as we're coming to get used to from win11 🙂

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                      • zersiax@cupoftea.socialZ zersiax@cupoftea.social

                        Obligatory "why would you care about this when you're blind" follow-up:

                        - Windows that hang out where you could theoretically see them are less likely to get backgrounded, this is particularly useful for browser tabs that go to sleep otherwise
                        - If you're sharing your screen in a meeting it can be helpful to only share a screen that has what you want on it, same goes for streams or screenshots although I'm not sure how to accessibly screenshot a specific screen
                        - Isolating apps to their own display can sometimes help with OCR results if there's a bunch of apps overlapping or getting in each other's way somehow

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                        #11

                        @zersiax jaws does this pretty well. I particularly like it when doing trainings, as I can throw browser or console windows up to the big screen and verify that reliably.

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                        • J jakobrosin@universeodon.com

                          @zersiax jaws does this pretty well. I particularly like it when doing trainings, as I can throw browser or console windows up to the big screen and verify that reliably.

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                          @jakobrosin interesting. I tried it with Narrator and that gives the same output as NVDA so it looks like JAWS is doing its own thing there

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