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I've been saying America has to choose to be better... we have to decide this brutality isn't what we want.

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  • phoenixserenity@beige.partyP phoenixserenity@beige.party

    @susankayequinn I remember watching a documentary about Nazism indoctrination. One of the things drilled in was that empathy & compassion are weaknesses.

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    @PhoenixSerenity and you HAVE to drill that in, because as much as some folks like to insist that everyone is intrinsically terrible, we are not. People are intrinsically socially animals for whom cooperation is literally our superpower... and that relies on empathy and compassion to work. It takes a lot to destroy that in us.

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    • susankayequinn@wandering.shopS susankayequinn@wandering.shop

      @PhoenixSerenity and you HAVE to drill that in, because as much as some folks like to insist that everyone is intrinsically terrible, we are not. People are intrinsically socially animals for whom cooperation is literally our superpower... and that relies on empathy and compassion to work. It takes a lot to destroy that in us.

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      @susankayequinn I've been studying deeper into background & mindsets of women who volunteered to join fascists & become inhumane. I feel a need to try to understand how/why they became so evil & cruel towards other human beings. Fascism almost always includes massive misogyny so I want to try & understand why many women volunteered to sign up for fascism.

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      • phoenixserenity@beige.partyP phoenixserenity@beige.party

        @susankayequinn I've been studying deeper into background & mindsets of women who volunteered to join fascists & become inhumane. I feel a need to try to understand how/why they became so evil & cruel towards other human beings. Fascism almost always includes massive misogyny so I want to try & understand why many women volunteered to sign up for fascism.

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        #7

        @PhoenixSerenity I have thoughts anout that, but what did you decide?

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        • susankayequinn@wandering.shopS susankayequinn@wandering.shop

          @PhoenixSerenity I have thoughts anout that, but what did you decide?

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          @susankayequinn I haven't decided anything yet...have several thoughts formed already but am still in learning more mode at this time. I'll share about my personal opinions on this, after I've done more digging/research & feel that I understand it more in depth.

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          • susankayequinn@wandering.shopS susankayequinn@wandering.shop

            @PhoenixSerenity and you HAVE to drill that in, because as much as some folks like to insist that everyone is intrinsically terrible, we are not. People are intrinsically socially animals for whom cooperation is literally our superpower... and that relies on empathy and compassion to work. It takes a lot to destroy that in us.

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            @susankayequinn @PhoenixSerenity Not everyone is intrinsicly bad, but some people are. Much as I think we'd agree that the best way to move forward is to build a system where that's not dominated by such a conclusion, too many aren't willing to accept that it has negative impacts.

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            • susankayequinn@wandering.shopS susankayequinn@wandering.shop

              @PhoenixSerenity and you HAVE to drill that in, because as much as some folks like to insist that everyone is intrinsically terrible, we are not. People are intrinsically socially animals for whom cooperation is literally our superpower... and that relies on empathy and compassion to work. It takes a lot to destroy that in us.

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              #10

              @susankayequinn @PhoenixSerenity this! This is so important.
              We - as a species - are the most cooperative beings in the world. Our ability to cooperate brought us to the moon and back.

              I always think about the terrible amount of work armies put in new recruits to turn them into potential murderers. We don't want to hurt each other. Quite the opposite - we crave love and solidarity

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              • jhaas@a2mi.socialJ jhaas@a2mi.social

                @susankayequinn @PhoenixSerenity Not everyone is intrinsicly bad, but some people are. Much as I think we'd agree that the best way to move forward is to build a system where that's not dominated by such a conclusion, too many aren't willing to accept that it has negative impacts.

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                #11

                @jhaas @PhoenixSerenity
                we absolutely need to have ways to keep people who are broken and dangerous from harming others.

                A really good way to do that is to NOT elect them to office, glorify them, excuse their behavior, etc... which is the world we have today.

                "Some people are bad, let's put this Bad Guy in charge!" is like literally what passes for logic in a system built on the "people are inherently bad and must be controlled" philosophy.

                I'm willing to try something new.

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                • enbypirate@lgbtqia.spaceE enbypirate@lgbtqia.space

                  @susankayequinn @PhoenixSerenity this! This is so important.
                  We - as a species - are the most cooperative beings in the world. Our ability to cooperate brought us to the moon and back.

                  I always think about the terrible amount of work armies put in new recruits to turn them into potential murderers. We don't want to hurt each other. Quite the opposite - we crave love and solidarity

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                  @enbypirate @susankayequinn @PhoenixSerenity The big question is, how to address people to bring out these good values in them and make them band together to regain a fair balance. Our economic systems reward the ruthless, those who are in power now. Those who are cruel to gain profits, those who use their ellbows.
                  They do not reward fairness, a social attitude.
                  But we need to change these systemes urgently. #SolarPunk

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                  • energisch_@troet.cafeE energisch_@troet.cafe

                    @enbypirate @susankayequinn @PhoenixSerenity The big question is, how to address people to bring out these good values in them and make them band together to regain a fair balance. Our economic systems reward the ruthless, those who are in power now. Those who are cruel to gain profits, those who use their ellbows.
                    They do not reward fairness, a social attitude.
                    But we need to change these systemes urgently. #SolarPunk

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                    #13

                    @energisch_ @susankayequinn @PhoenixSerenity I am an Anarchist, so the answer is pretty straightforward: build places where people share, organize and take care of each other. Places where kids can play, (single) parents can drink a cup of coffee and have a break.
                    Places where we share our knowledge and support each other in the daily struggle of capitalism. Be it with our boss, our landlords, government agencies and so on.
                    Where refugees, retired people, queers and even old white men are welcome. I like the notion of grassroots movements.
                    And we need strong democratic trade unions as well. And organizations that network these places, share knowledge and support each other.
                    And then we need to overthrow the government.

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                    • enbypirate@lgbtqia.spaceE enbypirate@lgbtqia.space

                      @energisch_ @susankayequinn @PhoenixSerenity I am an Anarchist, so the answer is pretty straightforward: build places where people share, organize and take care of each other. Places where kids can play, (single) parents can drink a cup of coffee and have a break.
                      Places where we share our knowledge and support each other in the daily struggle of capitalism. Be it with our boss, our landlords, government agencies and so on.
                      Where refugees, retired people, queers and even old white men are welcome. I like the notion of grassroots movements.
                      And we need strong democratic trade unions as well. And organizations that network these places, share knowledge and support each other.
                      And then we need to overthrow the government.

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                      #14

                      @enbypirate @energisch_ @PhoenixSerenity

                      I'm not an anarchist but my #solarpunk ideals overlap a lot in the sense of building community and networks of care outside of capitalism.

                      Some places are starting to do this. Scotland just passed a "community wealth building" initiative that's based, ironically enough, on Cleveland OH's case example of reinvesting in their own community. "Spend local" but taken further.

                      https://www.democracycollaborative.org/blogs/a-world-first-community-wealth-building-legislation-in-scotland

                      https://community-wealth.org/content/cleveland-model-how-evergreen-cooperatives-are-building-community-wealth

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