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Reminder that in the UK in 1900, before mass vaccination for childhood diseases began, 20% of all babies died before their fifth birthday (from diseases we currently vaccinate them against).

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  • remittancegirl@mstdn.socialR remittancegirl@mstdn.social

    @cstross And as a strange aside, because of course suicide is prohibited in the Catholic religion, she was buried in consecrated ground because the priest argued that the removal of the brace was not suicidal. That if God had wanted her to keep on breathing, she would have.

    Humans have been fucked up since forever.

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    #21

    @Remittancegirl @cstross I'm sorry to hear about your friend. The priest earns marks there I feel, I hope he carried on for a long time.

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    • arafel@mas.toA arafel@mas.to

      @Remittancegirl @cstross I'm sorry to hear about your friend. The priest earns marks there I feel, I hope he carried on for a long time.

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      #22

      @arafel He definitely helped her parents - who were devoutly Catholic and frantic about the state of her immortal soul. @cstross

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      • bjn@mstdn.socialB bjn@mstdn.social

        @cstross @lauren They could just go full Spartan and leave new borns out overnight so that only the “strongest” survive.

        (Note, this is not a good idea on so many levels).

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        #23

        @bjn @cstross @lauren It's not, but I'm starting to think that the proponents of "stop vaccinating, natural selection!" should be left in a wilderness area for a week or two, on their own, with whatever tools they can make. Natural selection, right?

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        • arafel@mas.toA arafel@mas.to

          @bjn @cstross @lauren It's not, but I'm starting to think that the proponents of "stop vaccinating, natural selection!" should be left in a wilderness area for a week or two, on their own, with whatever tools they can make. Natural selection, right?

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          #24

          @arafel @bjn @lauren Preferably a wilderness area rewilded with cloned-from-DNA-samples sabretooth tigers.

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          • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

            @arafel @bjn @lauren Preferably a wilderness area rewilded with cloned-from-DNA-samples sabretooth tigers.

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            #25

            @cstross @bjn @lauren Well, ideally, yes. But I'm not a perfectionist, no need to let the perfect be the enemy of the good. Areas densely populated by black bears would work just as well. Or even polar bears, if we're going for neutral territory to avoid favouritism.

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            • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

              RE: https://mastodon.laurenweinstein.org/@lauren/115963873612884664

              Reminder that in the UK in 1900, before mass vaccination for childhood diseases began, 20% of all babies died before their fifth birthday (from diseases we currently vaccinate them against).

              RFK jr's appointee wants to kill roughly 20% of all newborn Americans "to improve the breed" or something.

              (Not including those paralysed for life by polio.)

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              #26

              @cstross Good time to remind Brits that while the K in #RFK Jr. still stands for Kennedy, the RF now stands for ‘Rat Fucker’.

              #Resist #kakistocracy in #USpol.

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              • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

                RE: https://mastodon.laurenweinstein.org/@lauren/115963873612884664

                Reminder that in the UK in 1900, before mass vaccination for childhood diseases began, 20% of all babies died before their fifth birthday (from diseases we currently vaccinate them against).

                RFK jr's appointee wants to kill roughly 20% of all newborn Americans "to improve the breed" or something.

                (Not including those paralysed for life by polio.)

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                #27

                @cstross https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Alexander_(polio_survivor)

                Considering he died not that long ago means there are polio survivors probably still floating around, so it isn’t that long ago polio was killing people. I also remember my mom talking about her mom taking them and standing in line for the vaccine when it came out because she knew how deadly it was.

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                • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

                  RE: https://mastodon.laurenweinstein.org/@lauren/115963873612884664

                  Reminder that in the UK in 1900, before mass vaccination for childhood diseases began, 20% of all babies died before their fifth birthday (from diseases we currently vaccinate them against).

                  RFK jr's appointee wants to kill roughly 20% of all newborn Americans "to improve the breed" or something.

                  (Not including those paralysed for life by polio.)

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                  #28

                  @cstross Trump is already the most prolific mass-murderer in history. They should give him an award. Something like a golden swaztika.

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                  • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

                    RE: https://mastodon.laurenweinstein.org/@lauren/115963873612884664

                    Reminder that in the UK in 1900, before mass vaccination for childhood diseases began, 20% of all babies died before their fifth birthday (from diseases we currently vaccinate them against).

                    RFK jr's appointee wants to kill roughly 20% of all newborn Americans "to improve the breed" or something.

                    (Not including those paralysed for life by polio.)

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                    #29

                    @cstross

                    There would be more kids left disabled or permanently harmed from these diseases, even if they did survive.

                    I've heard these 'common sense' views before but they're unscientific - the immune system doesn't get stronger from exposure to disease. It doesn't need to be exercised.

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                    • chemicaleyeguy@mstdn.scienceC chemicaleyeguy@mstdn.science

                      @cstross Good time to remind Brits that while the K in #RFK Jr. still stands for Kennedy, the RF now stands for ‘Rat Fucker’.

                      #Resist #kakistocracy in #USpol.

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                      #30

                      @ChemicalEyeGuy @cstross also the "CE" in "ICE" stands for "Chaotic Evil".

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                      • infoseepage@mastodon.socialI infoseepage@mastodon.social

                        @cstross People who are anti-vaccination for whatever fruitloops reason need to spend some quality time in old churchyards looking at monuments to dead children put up by bereft parents.

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                        #31

                        @Infoseepage @cstross the "we are seven" grave in Conwy churchyard left a big impression on me as a child. Wordsworth wrote a poem about it - more here: https://historypoints.org/index.php?page=we-are-seven-grave-conwy

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                        • suzannealdrich@hachyderm.ioS suzannealdrich@hachyderm.io

                          @Infoseepage
                          Literally, just go to ancestry.com and map out your own family a couple generations back and find all the great uncles and aunties you don’t have because THEY ALL DIED OF CHILDHOOD DISEASES THAT THE US ADMINISTRATION IS INSANELY SUGGESTING WE DROP, LIKE A BUNCH OF GODDAMNED HOMICIDAL MANIACS #CantMakeThisShitUp #SureGoAheadKillMeAndMyEntireFamilyWhyDontYou #ActuallyNoYouCanGoFuckOffAndDieYourselves

                          @cstross

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                          #32

                          @suzannealdrich @Infoseepage @cstross I was coming here to say exactly that. Just five generations ago, in Germany, my ancestors lost six of eight children before the age of three. Two survived to adulthood.

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                          • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

                            RE: https://mastodon.laurenweinstein.org/@lauren/115963873612884664

                            Reminder that in the UK in 1900, before mass vaccination for childhood diseases began, 20% of all babies died before their fifth birthday (from diseases we currently vaccinate them against).

                            RFK jr's appointee wants to kill roughly 20% of all newborn Americans "to improve the breed" or something.

                            (Not including those paralysed for life by polio.)

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                            #33

                            @cstross Reminder that in industrialized countries, for some diseases, mortality had already dropped before vaccines were even a thing.

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                            • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

                              RE: https://mastodon.laurenweinstein.org/@lauren/115963873612884664

                              Reminder that in the UK in 1900, before mass vaccination for childhood diseases began, 20% of all babies died before their fifth birthday (from diseases we currently vaccinate them against).

                              RFK jr's appointee wants to kill roughly 20% of all newborn Americans "to improve the breed" or something.

                              (Not including those paralysed for life by polio.)

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                              #34

                              @cstross better access to nutrition, housing, sanitation maternity care and drinking water also occurred at these times.

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                              • arafel@mas.toA arafel@mas.to

                                @cstross @bjn @lauren Well, ideally, yes. But I'm not a perfectionist, no need to let the perfect be the enemy of the good. Areas densely populated by black bears would work just as well. Or even polar bears, if we're going for neutral territory to avoid favouritism.

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                                #35

                                @arafel @cstross @bjn @lauren

                                Playing Russian Roulette with a six shooter would give them slightly better odds than they want to give children. Load another couple of chambers with blanks (won't kill, will burst an eardrump) and you might be getting close.

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                                • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

                                  RE: https://mastodon.laurenweinstein.org/@lauren/115963873612884664

                                  Reminder that in the UK in 1900, before mass vaccination for childhood diseases began, 20% of all babies died before their fifth birthday (from diseases we currently vaccinate them against).

                                  RFK jr's appointee wants to kill roughly 20% of all newborn Americans "to improve the breed" or something.

                                  (Not including those paralysed for life by polio.)

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                                  #36

                                  @cstross

                                  At which point any country with sensible leaders will require vaccinations with visas for anyone from the USA.

                                  I think my sister still has her copy of a lengthy document proving she didn't have a long list of conditions/infections before we briefly entered the USA in the early 1950s.

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                                  • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

                                    RE: https://mastodon.laurenweinstein.org/@lauren/115963873612884664

                                    Reminder that in the UK in 1900, before mass vaccination for childhood diseases began, 20% of all babies died before their fifth birthday (from diseases we currently vaccinate them against).

                                    RFK jr's appointee wants to kill roughly 20% of all newborn Americans "to improve the breed" or something.

                                    (Not including those paralysed for life by polio.)

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                                    #37

                                    @cstross All countries should ban American entrants unless they have up to date vaccination certificates.

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                                    • remittancegirl@mstdn.socialR remittancegirl@mstdn.social

                                      @cstross
                                      But I remember her, in my child's eye, as a thin, frail little puppet, jerked by invisible strings. And she was hauntingly graceful and beautiful to me.

                                      But at the age of 18, one night at bedtime, she removed the brace, lay down, and killed herself. She did it in total silence, so her parents wouldn't stop her.

                                      Anyone who tells you not to get vaccines is a murderer by proxy.

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                                      #38

                                      @Remittancegirl @cstross That was the most touching thing I read today. Thank you. Have to make an effort not to start crying publicly on a train.

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                                      • pamela1960@kolektiva.socialP pamela1960@kolektiva.social

                                        @cstross All countries should ban American entrants unless they have up to date vaccination certificates.

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                                        #39

                                        @Pamela1960 @cstross absolutely. Have to be able to prove they're not a danger to public health

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                                        • morgan@sfba.socialM morgan@sfba.social

                                          @suzannealdrich @Infoseepage @cstross I was coming here to say exactly that. Just five generations ago, in Germany, my ancestors lost six of eight children before the age of three. Two survived to adulthood.

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                                          #40

                                          @morgan @suzannealdrich @cstross And this sort of thing cut across all divisions of class and wealth. I was at Versailles last week and they had an exhibition about the Grand Dauphin and his family. The Grand Dauphin was You're a parent to Louis XIV for most of his life, but his father outlived him. He died of smallpox at about the age of 50. A bunch of the dauphin's children and their wives and grandchildren were wiped out by "just measles" and other maladies.

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