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Reminder that in the UK in 1900, before mass vaccination for childhood diseases began, 20% of all babies died before their fifth birthday (from diseases we currently vaccinate them against).

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  • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

    RE: https://mastodon.laurenweinstein.org/@lauren/115963873612884664

    Reminder that in the UK in 1900, before mass vaccination for childhood diseases began, 20% of all babies died before their fifth birthday (from diseases we currently vaccinate them against).

    RFK jr's appointee wants to kill roughly 20% of all newborn Americans "to improve the breed" or something.

    (Not including those paralysed for life by polio.)

    berilious@mastodon.socialB This user is from outside of this forum
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    #34

    @cstross better access to nutrition, housing, sanitation maternity care and drinking water also occurred at these times.

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    • arafel@mas.toA arafel@mas.to

      @cstross @bjn @lauren Well, ideally, yes. But I'm not a perfectionist, no need to let the perfect be the enemy of the good. Areas densely populated by black bears would work just as well. Or even polar bears, if we're going for neutral territory to avoid favouritism.

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      #35

      @arafel @cstross @bjn @lauren

      Playing Russian Roulette with a six shooter would give them slightly better odds than they want to give children. Load another couple of chambers with blanks (won't kill, will burst an eardrump) and you might be getting close.

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      • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

        RE: https://mastodon.laurenweinstein.org/@lauren/115963873612884664

        Reminder that in the UK in 1900, before mass vaccination for childhood diseases began, 20% of all babies died before their fifth birthday (from diseases we currently vaccinate them against).

        RFK jr's appointee wants to kill roughly 20% of all newborn Americans "to improve the breed" or something.

        (Not including those paralysed for life by polio.)

        tiggy@mastodonapp.ukT This user is from outside of this forum
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        #36

        @cstross

        At which point any country with sensible leaders will require vaccinations with visas for anyone from the USA.

        I think my sister still has her copy of a lengthy document proving she didn't have a long list of conditions/infections before we briefly entered the USA in the early 1950s.

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        • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

          RE: https://mastodon.laurenweinstein.org/@lauren/115963873612884664

          Reminder that in the UK in 1900, before mass vaccination for childhood diseases began, 20% of all babies died before their fifth birthday (from diseases we currently vaccinate them against).

          RFK jr's appointee wants to kill roughly 20% of all newborn Americans "to improve the breed" or something.

          (Not including those paralysed for life by polio.)

          pamela1960@kolektiva.socialP This user is from outside of this forum
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          #37

          @cstross All countries should ban American entrants unless they have up to date vaccination certificates.

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          • remittancegirl@mstdn.socialR remittancegirl@mstdn.social

            @cstross
            But I remember her, in my child's eye, as a thin, frail little puppet, jerked by invisible strings. And she was hauntingly graceful and beautiful to me.

            But at the age of 18, one night at bedtime, she removed the brace, lay down, and killed herself. She did it in total silence, so her parents wouldn't stop her.

            Anyone who tells you not to get vaccines is a murderer by proxy.

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            #38

            @Remittancegirl @cstross That was the most touching thing I read today. Thank you. Have to make an effort not to start crying publicly on a train.

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            • pamela1960@kolektiva.socialP pamela1960@kolektiva.social

              @cstross All countries should ban American entrants unless they have up to date vaccination certificates.

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              #39

              @Pamela1960 @cstross absolutely. Have to be able to prove they're not a danger to public health

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              • morgan@sfba.socialM morgan@sfba.social

                @suzannealdrich @Infoseepage @cstross I was coming here to say exactly that. Just five generations ago, in Germany, my ancestors lost six of eight children before the age of three. Two survived to adulthood.

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                #40

                @morgan @suzannealdrich @cstross And this sort of thing cut across all divisions of class and wealth. I was at Versailles last week and they had an exhibition about the Grand Dauphin and his family. The Grand Dauphin was You're a parent to Louis XIV for most of his life, but his father outlived him. He died of smallpox at about the age of 50. A bunch of the dauphin's children and their wives and grandchildren were wiped out by "just measles" and other maladies.

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                • tml@mementomori.socialT tml@mementomori.social

                  @Remittancegirl @cstross That was the most touching thing I read today. Thank you. Have to make an effort not to start crying publicly on a train.

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                  #41

                  @tml @cstross

                  Good god, I certainly didn't mean to make anyone cry. I apologise.

                  And yet, at the same time, I wanted to pay tribute to her memory, because she was a lovely person and a very talented poet.

                  And it's complicated. Would she have been such a good poet without the experience of social isolation and physical extremes? Was she someone who was always destined to relinquish life? I think about her a lot.

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                  • infoseepage@mastodon.socialI infoseepage@mastodon.social

                    @morgan @suzannealdrich @cstross And this sort of thing cut across all divisions of class and wealth. I was at Versailles last week and they had an exhibition about the Grand Dauphin and his family. The Grand Dauphin was You're a parent to Louis XIV for most of his life, but his father outlived him. He died of smallpox at about the age of 50. A bunch of the dauphin's children and their wives and grandchildren were wiped out by "just measles" and other maladies.

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                    #42

                    @Infoseepage @suzannealdrich @cstross bringing this back to it's origin; the gall of rfkjr and his enablers thinking they can rely on privilege, wealth and influence to survive the hell they're bringing down

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                    • infoseepage@mastodon.socialI infoseepage@mastodon.social

                      @morgan @suzannealdrich @cstross And this sort of thing cut across all divisions of class and wealth. I was at Versailles last week and they had an exhibition about the Grand Dauphin and his family. The Grand Dauphin was You're a parent to Louis XIV for most of his life, but his father outlived him. He died of smallpox at about the age of 50. A bunch of the dauphin's children and their wives and grandchildren were wiped out by "just measles" and other maladies.

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                      #43

                      @morgan @suzannealdrich @cstross These people lived in gold encrusted marble palaces, wore the finest clothing, never lacked for a warm fire and ate the best foods and had the best doctors of their era. It didn't save any of them. What would have saved them are a series of inexpensive, widely available childhood immunizations with extremely high safety profiles.

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                      • remittancegirl@mstdn.socialR remittancegirl@mstdn.social

                        @cstross
                        But I remember her, in my child's eye, as a thin, frail little puppet, jerked by invisible strings. And she was hauntingly graceful and beautiful to me.

                        But at the age of 18, one night at bedtime, she removed the brace, lay down, and killed herself. She did it in total silence, so her parents wouldn't stop her.

                        Anyone who tells you not to get vaccines is a murderer by proxy.

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                        #44

                        @Remittancegirl @cstross we all cried.

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                        • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

                          RE: https://mastodon.laurenweinstein.org/@lauren/115963873612884664

                          Reminder that in the UK in 1900, before mass vaccination for childhood diseases began, 20% of all babies died before their fifth birthday (from diseases we currently vaccinate them against).

                          RFK jr's appointee wants to kill roughly 20% of all newborn Americans "to improve the breed" or something.

                          (Not including those paralysed for life by polio.)

                          mannydexter@beige.partyM This user is from outside of this forum
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                          #45

                          @cstross @lauren

                          The thing is, these people were vaccinated as children.

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                          • jpages@mastodon.onlineJ jpages@mastodon.online

                            @cstross Reminder that in industrialized countries, for some diseases, mortality had already dropped before vaccines were even a thing.

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                            #46

                            @jpages Massive public education campaigns and immediate isolation of outbreak patients put the brakes on. As did better living conditions (it's hard to isolate in a slum with eight people sleeping to a room; also hard to isolate when there are ten kids in a family).

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                            • tarnport@mastodon.greenT tarnport@mastodon.green

                              @Remittancegirl @cstross we all cried.

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                              #47

                              @Tarnport I apologise. That was not my intention. @cstross

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                              • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

                                @arafel @bjn @lauren Preferably a wilderness area rewilded with cloned-from-DNA-samples sabretooth tigers.

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                                #48

                                @cstross No, put them where they want to be. Greenland.

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                                • remittancegirl@mstdn.socialR remittancegirl@mstdn.social

                                  @Tarnport I apologise. That was not my intention. @cstross

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                                  #49

                                  @Remittancegirl @cstross not at all. It is an incredible, personal story, and was the best kind of cry in honoring it. It convinces us on even more personal and emotional terms that RFKjr is wrong and the damage is going to kill people. Our stories are important! And I thank you for telling this one.

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                                  • tarnport@mastodon.greenT tarnport@mastodon.green

                                    @Remittancegirl @cstross not at all. It is an incredible, personal story, and was the best kind of cry in honoring it. It convinces us on even more personal and emotional terms that RFKjr is wrong and the damage is going to kill people. Our stories are important! And I thank you for telling this one.

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                                    #50

                                    @Tarnport You are most welcome. Remembering her is always very bitter sweet for me. @cstross

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                                    • cstross@wandering.shopC cstross@wandering.shop

                                      RE: https://mastodon.laurenweinstein.org/@lauren/115963873612884664

                                      Reminder that in the UK in 1900, before mass vaccination for childhood diseases began, 20% of all babies died before their fifth birthday (from diseases we currently vaccinate them against).

                                      RFK jr's appointee wants to kill roughly 20% of all newborn Americans "to improve the breed" or something.

                                      (Not including those paralysed for life by polio.)

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                                      #51

                                      @cstross Ironically, this is going to be that white genocide that previously existed only in their broken little minds. Just like the cabal of paedophiles, the corrupt swamp, and fascist leaders coming to power it was projection all along.

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                                      • infoseepage@mastodon.socialI infoseepage@mastodon.social

                                        @morgan @suzannealdrich @cstross These people lived in gold encrusted marble palaces, wore the finest clothing, never lacked for a warm fire and ate the best foods and had the best doctors of their era. It didn't save any of them. What would have saved them are a series of inexpensive, widely available childhood immunizations with extremely high safety profiles.

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                                        #52

                                        @Infoseepage @suzannealdrich @cstross I binged through the @empirepoduk podcast, haven't finished it, but listened to 150+ episodes. It's good.

                                        There was a fascinating one where a British woman brought the concept and technology of #smallpox #inoculation home with her from #Turkey...

                                        Here it is:

                                        'She was a pioneering scientist, proto-feminist, and letter writer extraordinaire. Lady Mary Wortley Montagu escaped a marriage to Clotworthy Skeffington to become one of history's most incredible women. Listen this week as William and Anita are joined by Katie Hickman to tell the tale of her life.'

                                        https://youtu.be/Ji8JlFNz1rA

                                        'Clotworthy Skeffington,' I think that might be my next fake name.

                                        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lady_Mary_Wortley_Montagu

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                                        • mannydexter@beige.partyM mannydexter@beige.party

                                          @cstross @lauren

                                          The thing is, these people were vaccinated as children.

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                                          #53

                                          @MannyDexter that's what amazes me also, that fully vaccinated people now oppose it. They all need 'it's a wonderful life' moments.
                                          @cstross @lauren

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