Reminder that in the UK in 1900, before mass vaccination for childhood diseases began, 20% of all babies died before their fifth birthday (from diseases we currently vaccinate them against).

suzannealdrich@hachyderm.io

@Infoseepage
God it just makes me so sick, the thought of these monsters preventing people, or even discouraging them, from vaccinating themselves and their children from PREVENTABLE DISEASES that we already HAVE THE VACCINES FOR. The one job they should have, the ONE thing we should INSIST on, from ANY public figure, is the OBLIGATION on a free and lawful society to PREVENT HARM or RISK OF HARM to OTHERS. Full stop. Period. That is it. And by harm I mean REAL THINGS THAT HAPPEN, not imaginary SHIT THAT AIN’T REAL. As SOON as anyone, and I mean ANYONE; says a RUCKING BREATH about vaccines, we all need to immediately stop anyone from saying that bullshit, and just say, simply and out loud so anyone can hear you from outside your circle, “vaccines cause adults, and I’m so glad to be alive because of them.” The end. Full stop. no disassembling. and just call out the anti reality slop that anyone tries to pull, immediately, interrupt them and don’t be polite or let them finish their bullshit poisonous toxic bad opinion as garbage misinformation that will get as all killed period. See? It’s easy. Call it out don’t accept the death-causing lies. You need to have a boundary and this is an easy one to draw, for the health and safety of humanity, lol
@cstross

arafel@mas.to

@Remittancegirl @cstross I'm sorry to hear about your friend. The priest earns marks there I feel, I hope he carried on for a long time.

remittancegirl@mstdn.social

@arafel He definitely helped her parents - who were devoutly Catholic and frantic about the state of her immortal soul. @cstross

arafel@mas.to

@bjn @cstross @lauren It's not, but I'm starting to think that the proponents of "stop vaccinating, natural selection!" should be left in a wilderness area for a week or two, on their own, with whatever tools they can make. Natural selection, right?

cstross@wandering.shop

@arafel @bjn @lauren Preferably a wilderness area rewilded with cloned-from-DNA-samples sabretooth tigers.

arafel@mas.to

@cstross @bjn @lauren Well, ideally, yes. But I'm not a perfectionist, no need to let the perfect be the enemy of the good. Areas densely populated by black bears would work just as well. Or even polar bears, if we're going for neutral territory to avoid favouritism.

chemicaleyeguy@mstdn.science

@cstross Good time to remind Brits that while the K in #RFK Jr. still stands for Kennedy, the RF now stands for ‘Rat Fucker’.

#Resist #kakistocracy in #USpol.

myrddinemerys@ohai.social

@cstross https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Alexander_(polio_survivor)

Considering he died not that long ago means there are polio survivors probably still floating around, so it isn’t that long ago polio was killing people. I also remember my mom talking about her mom taking them and standing in line for the vaccine when it came out because she knew how deadly it was.

farbel@mas.to

@cstross Trump is already the most prolific mass-murderer in history. They should give him an award. Something like a golden swaztika.

gutterpoetry@mastodon.me.uk

@cstross

There would be more kids left disabled or permanently harmed from these diseases, even if they did survive.

I've heard these 'common sense' views before but they're unscientific - the immune system doesn't get stronger from exposure to disease. It doesn't need to be exercised.

bencurthoys@mastodon.social

@ChemicalEyeGuy @cstross also the "CE" in "ICE" stands for "Chaotic Evil".

georgexcollins@mastodon.scot

@Infoseepage @cstross the "we are seven" grave in Conwy churchyard left a big impression on me as a child. Wordsworth wrote a poem about it - more here: https://historypoints.org/index.php?page=we-are-seven-grave-conwy

morgan@sfba.social

@suzannealdrich @Infoseepage @cstross I was coming here to say exactly that. Just five generations ago, in Germany, my ancestors lost six of eight children before the age of three. Two survived to adulthood.

jpages@mastodon.online

@cstross Reminder that in industrialized countries, for some diseases, mortality had already dropped before vaccines were even a thing.

berilious@mastodon.social

@cstross better access to nutrition, housing, sanitation maternity care and drinking water also occurred at these times.

david_chisnall@infosec.exchange

@arafel @cstross @bjn @lauren

Playing Russian Roulette with a six shooter would give them slightly better odds than they want to give children. Load another couple of chambers with blanks (won't kill, will burst an eardrump) and you might be getting close.

tiggy@mastodonapp.uk

@cstross

At which point any country with sensible leaders will require vaccinations with visas for anyone from the USA.

I think my sister still has her copy of a lengthy document proving she didn't have a long list of conditions/infections before we briefly entered the USA in the early 1950s.

pamela1960@kolektiva.social

@cstross All countries should ban American entrants unless they have up to date vaccination certificates.

tml@mementomori.social

@Remittancegirl @cstross That was the most touching thing I read today. Thank you. Have to make an effort not to start crying publicly on a train.

nikkileah@mendeddrum.org

@Pamela1960 @cstross absolutely. Have to be able to prove they're not a danger to public health

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Reminder that in the UK in 1900, before mass vaccination for childhood diseases began, 20% of all babies died before their fifth birthday (from diseases we currently vaccinate them against).