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I spent quite a bit of time on BlueSky for several months and found that if you’re a nobody there is close to no engagement.

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  • urlyman@mastodon.socialU urlyman@mastodon.social

    I spent quite a bit of time on BlueSky for several months and found that if you’re a nobody there is close to no engagement. If you’re a somebody, the platform laps it up.

    But on Mastodon the conversation flows irrespective of who you are.

    I know where I’d rather be https://fediscience.org/@kathhayhoe/116065653289142235

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    #14

    @urlyman I notice that too.

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    • urlyman@mastodon.socialU urlyman@mastodon.social

      …I’m *not* saying that everyone on BlueSky is egotistical. I’m just saying that when someone is, it’s the kind of place that suits them, and, for the most part, Mastodon just doesn’t

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      #15

      @urlyman it provided a seamless transition for the number-go-up, ego-driven, "don't your realise who i am?", thought-leader, cuntrepreneur people on twitter ... and still mired in the same cult of personality / appeal to authority stuff we saw from twitter. it just feels...grubby to me these days

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      • urlyman@mastodon.socialU urlyman@mastodon.social

        …I’m *not* saying that everyone on BlueSky is egotistical. I’m just saying that when someone is, it’s the kind of place that suits them, and, for the most part, Mastodon just doesn’t

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        #16

        @urlyman

        Looking back over the last 10 years of social media, I do have to say that 'authoritative voices' have not really helped all that much. I have found a lot more authority and knowledge and just plain wisdom from the 'nobodies', personally.

        I guess when people were used to a professional clique on twitter and have to find a new one, it has to be frustrating. But isn't that what something like discord is for?

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        • urlyman@mastodon.socialU urlyman@mastodon.social

          @patrick_h_lauke that’s a neat encapsulation of how it seemed to me

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          #17

          @urlyman @patrick_h_lauke This nicely describes my perception of it too. I always found it to be kind of a "weird vibe" over there. People trying to impress as opposed to people mostly just hanging out.

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          • urlyman@mastodon.socialU urlyman@mastodon.social

            …I’m *not* saying that everyone on BlueSky is egotistical. I’m just saying that when someone is, it’s the kind of place that suits them, and, for the most part, Mastodon just doesn’t

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            #18

            @urlyman

            Hypothesis:

            One purpose of algorithm-driven social media is to create and reward clout, thus giving those sorts of people what they need so that they stick around.

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            • patrick_h_lauke@mastodon.socialP patrick_h_lauke@mastodon.social

              @urlyman it provided a seamless transition for the number-go-up, ego-driven, "don't your realise who i am?", thought-leader, cuntrepreneur people on twitter ... and still mired in the same cult of personality / appeal to authority stuff we saw from twitter. it just feels...grubby to me these days

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              #19

              @patrick_h_lauke exactly this

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              • patrick_h_lauke@mastodon.socialP patrick_h_lauke@mastodon.social

                @urlyman it provided a seamless transition for the number-go-up, ego-driven, "don't your realise who i am?", thought-leader, cuntrepreneur people on twitter ... and still mired in the same cult of personality / appeal to authority stuff we saw from twitter. it just feels...grubby to me these days

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                #20

                @urlyman i still remember one of the "a-list" web design starlets at the time opining on how "the vibes are off" on masto and they decided to go all in on bluesky ... and it just felt more like "people aren't giving me enough deference/respect on masto! i was a STAR on twitter! respect my authority!"

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                • urlyman@mastodon.socialU urlyman@mastodon.social

                  I spent quite a bit of time on BlueSky for several months and found that if you’re a nobody there is close to no engagement. If you’re a somebody, the platform laps it up.

                  But on Mastodon the conversation flows irrespective of who you are.

                  I know where I’d rather be https://fediscience.org/@kathhayhoe/116065653289142235

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                  #21

                  @urlyman @srtcd424
                  I like how there are no #Mastodon influencers.

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                  • passenger@kolektiva.socialP passenger@kolektiva.social

                    @urlyman

                    Hypothesis:

                    One purpose of algorithm-driven social media is to create and reward clout, thus giving those sorts of people what they need so that they stick around.

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                    #22

                    @passenger it definitely is

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                    • patrick_h_lauke@mastodon.socialP patrick_h_lauke@mastodon.social

                      @urlyman i still remember one of the "a-list" web design starlets at the time opining on how "the vibes are off" on masto and they decided to go all in on bluesky ... and it just felt more like "people aren't giving me enough deference/respect on masto! i was a STAR on twitter! respect my authority!"

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                      #23

                      @patrick_h_lauke ugh. Fuck that shit

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                      • gillinger@mas.toG gillinger@mas.to

                        @urlyman @srtcd424
                        I like how there are no #Mastodon influencers.

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                        #24

                        @Gillinger very few, for sure

                        @srtcd424

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                        • remittancegirl@mstdn.socialR remittancegirl@mstdn.social

                          @urlyman

                          Looking back over the last 10 years of social media, I do have to say that 'authoritative voices' have not really helped all that much. I have found a lot more authority and knowledge and just plain wisdom from the 'nobodies', personally.

                          I guess when people were used to a professional clique on twitter and have to find a new one, it has to be frustrating. But isn't that what something like discord is for?

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                          #25

                          @Remittancegirl agreed.

                          I know it’s probably an over-simplification but I think quite often about how indigenous cultures developed techniques for suppressing egotistical bullshit and lasted tens of thousands of years and how algorithmic media is the opposite

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                          • urlyman@mastodon.socialU urlyman@mastodon.social

                            …Also, if memory serves me right, I have never encountered a conventionally climate sceptic person on here.

                            There are lots of green growthers but I’ve never had an exchange with someone who doubts basic climate science.

                            I mention this because I’m surprised that Katharine got the degree of push back on Mastodon that she graphed just over a year ago, but then I’m a man so I don’t have to put up with the many reply guys there are here

                            https://fediscience.org/@kathhayhoe/113787805278562159

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                            #26

                            @urlyman Why should I reply to this one? Oh, I just did that? Shee...

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                            • urlyman@mastodon.socialU urlyman@mastodon.social

                              @Remittancegirl agreed.

                              I know it’s probably an over-simplification but I think quite often about how indigenous cultures developed techniques for suppressing egotistical bullshit and lasted tens of thousands of years and how algorithmic media is the opposite

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                              #27

                              @urlyman I don't think that is an oversimplification at all, actually. It addresses the structural aspect of the discourse.

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                              • urlyman@mastodon.socialU urlyman@mastodon.social

                                I spent quite a bit of time on BlueSky for several months and found that if you’re a nobody there is close to no engagement. If you’re a somebody, the platform laps it up.

                                But on Mastodon the conversation flows irrespective of who you are.

                                I know where I’d rather be https://fediscience.org/@kathhayhoe/116065653289142235

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                                #28

                                @urlyman yeah I got that vibe too. BlueSky was more diverse, though, but god it sucked. Such a toxic platform. Basically 2019 Twitter.

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                                • urlyman@mastodon.socialU urlyman@mastodon.social

                                  …I’m *not* saying that everyone on BlueSky is egotistical. I’m just saying that when someone is, it’s the kind of place that suits them, and, for the most part, Mastodon just doesn’t

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                                  #29

                                  @urlyman It seems like another "Talk At" platform vs. a "Talk To" platform.
                                  I am here to talk to people.

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                                  • darthastrius@mastodon.socialD darthastrius@mastodon.social

                                    @urlyman yeah I got that vibe too. BlueSky was more diverse, though, but god it sucked. Such a toxic platform. Basically 2019 Twitter.

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                                    #30

                                    @DarthAstrius after several months my overwhelming feeling was disappointment: that it was like speaking into a void, and yet so many were enraptured by its ‘stickiness’

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                                    • t_var_s@phpc.socialT t_var_s@phpc.social

                                      @urlyman @KimSJ Mastodon is just chronological feeds which doesn't work for people used to going viral to pay their bills. It's kind of a privilege to be able to just chill on masto.

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                                      #31

                                      @t_var_s @urlyman @KimSJ Most of the people going viral on BlueSky already have a day job. BlueSky isn't really a place that influencers make a living just influencing.

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                                      • urlyman@mastodon.socialU urlyman@mastodon.social

                                        …Also, if memory serves me right, I have never encountered a conventionally climate sceptic person on here.

                                        There are lots of green growthers but I’ve never had an exchange with someone who doubts basic climate science.

                                        I mention this because I’m surprised that Katharine got the degree of push back on Mastodon that she graphed just over a year ago, but then I’m a man so I don’t have to put up with the many reply guys there are here

                                        https://fediscience.org/@kathhayhoe/113787805278562159

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                                        #32

                                        @urlyman I am a woman scientist. Reply guys are everywhere. At least on Mastodon, it's easy to add a personal note on their profile the first time they're obnoxious, and then block them the second time. And if they really cross the line, report them to their server and they actually face consequences.

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                                        • hydropsyche@ecoevo.socialH hydropsyche@ecoevo.social

                                          @urlyman I am a woman scientist. Reply guys are everywhere. At least on Mastodon, it's easy to add a personal note on their profile the first time they're obnoxious, and then block them the second time. And if they really cross the line, report them to their server and they actually face consequences.

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                                          #33

                                          @hydropsyche I wish you didn’t have to face them, but I’m pleased the ecosystem is better at addressing them

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