I want this but as a Linux distribution.

@mcc …shit

@mcc @itamarst this is a bit tangential to the whole thing but that phrasing bothers me a LOT. "an essential part" — is it? is it "essential?" where was it five years ago? and three years from now, when everyone, even the most braindead useless dead-weight MBA executive, finally realizes that it doesn't fucking work at all, will it still be "essential" then? or is the plan to stop being successful?

@ariadne I am, in a flippant and general way, saying I want to eradicate all code with "AI code assistant" contributions from my computer and VPSes, but I do not currently know a way to do so. I keep having programs I previously installed add the poison after the fact without public notice. https://mastodon.social/@mcc/116110912928005524

Perhaps in future I will have to use Alpine Linux if that's how I get my code audited for no "AI" contributions.

My understanding is that Bitwarden and KeePassXC, the two open source password managers, are *both* using random code generators at this point, which is terrifying as those are the exact tools where a small error could have the largest negative impact, and also tools that once you've committed to using it you can't quickly back out if they enter a code quality decline

https://github.com/bitwarden/clients/tree/main/.claude

RE: https://mastodon.scot/@kim_harding/116108957641748718

I want this but as a Linux distribution. I don't think I'm asking for much here. I am just asking for the "open source community" to be to the left of Goldman Sachs

My understanding is that Bitwarden and KeePassXC, the two open source password managers, are *both* using random code generators at this point, which is terrifying as those are the exact tools where a small error could have the largest negative impact, and also tools that once you've committed to using it you can't quickly back out if they enter a code quality decline

https://github.com/bitwarden/clients/tree/main/.claude

@mcc @ariadne I have the same feeling, if something I use start accepting AI code assistant contributions, I am considering it the same way as any proprietary software.

On the subject of Bitwarden, it seems that Vaultwarden isn't accepting any AI contributions so far (would need to dig more into issues/PRs to be 100% sure), so I will likely fork bitwarden client or make my own client...

@mcc I am dropping/switching any FOSS tools that I know are using GenAI/LLMs and it is getting bleak -_-

@glyph @itamarst i'm assuming they'll go directly to "ah, we're already using it, so we can't back it out now" even in orgs where the primary driver of it being used was executive mandates that each employee use a certain number of AI tokens per month

@Brett_E_Carlock the problem is removing any one tool from my life is a relatively large time investment and projects are adding "boycott me" flags faster than I can switch to or create alternatives

@mcc I admit I don't know the KeePass ecosystem terribly well, but does this go "up the chain" to regular KeePass 2.x or is it just XC?

My understanding is that Bitwarden and KeePassXC, the two open source password managers, are *both* using random code generators at this point, which is terrifying as those are the exact tools where a small error could have the largest negative impact, and also tools that once you've committed to using it you can't quickly back out if they enter a code quality decline

https://github.com/bitwarden/clients/tree/main/.claude

@mcc Yeah, absolutely. Thankfully so far these changes have all been low-stakes for me, but they are disruptive none-the-less.

As a fairly recent full time Linux everywhere user, something as stupid as changing my music manager app was a pretty significant shakeup. Twice, back to back, no less, after finally settling on each one. Enough that I had to package an entirely different media manager to use, since I had no other options I remotely enjoyed using.

Again, whinging, but the pattern holds

My understanding is that Bitwarden and KeePassXC, the two open source password managers, are *both* using random code generators at this point, which is terrifying as those are the exact tools where a small error could have the largest negative impact, and also tools that once you've committed to using it you can't quickly back out if they enter a code quality decline

https://github.com/bitwarden/clients/tree/main/.claude

@ariadne I am, in a flippant and general way, saying I want to eradicate all code with "AI code assistant" contributions from my computer and VPSes, but I do not currently know a way to do so. I keep having programs I previously installed add the poison after the fact without public notice. https://mastodon.social/@mcc/116110912928005524

Perhaps in future I will have to use Alpine Linux if that's how I get my code audited for no "AI" contributions.

RE: https://mastodon.scot/@kim_harding/116108957641748718

I want this but as a Linux distribution. I don't think I'm asking for much here. I am just asking for the "open source community" to be to the left of Goldman Sachs

@mary @ariadne That's interesting but as you say, vaultwarden without the client is… there's not a way to use it is there?

@mcc Vaultwarden bundle a custom version of the web client but it's basically the official one with stuffs renamed around at best.

So yeah in my case, I would fork the client, make a new one or audit the client changes each time I update the server side...

(For reference, most of my services are not exposed on the internet so I can limit the downfall of most things by pinning and audit things when updating even if it's not really practical)

@mcc Vaultwarden bundle a custom version of the web client but it's basically the official one with stuffs renamed around at best.

So yeah in my case, I would fork the client, make a new one or audit the client changes each time I update the server side...

(For reference, most of my services are not exposed on the internet so I can limit the downfall of most things by pinning and audit things when updating even if it's not really practical)

@mcc I do think we (as a comunmity) should build a database of public repos that have any genAI related commits/config files, that would be a good start to flag thoses.