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  • mcc@mastodon.socialM mcc@mastodon.social

    My understanding is that Bitwarden and KeePassXC, the two open source password managers, are *both* using random code generators at this point, which is terrifying as those are the exact tools where a small error could have the largest negative impact, and also tools that once you've committed to using it you can't quickly back out if they enter a code quality decline

    https://github.com/bitwarden/clients/tree/main/.claude

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    #5

    @mcc the double (triple?) entendre of "random code generator" here is really upsetting

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    • ftranschel@norden.socialF ftranschel@norden.social

      RE: https://mastodon.social/@knoppix95/116104645693904284

      @mcc Have you seen https://norden.social/@knoppix95@mastodon.social/116104645844598267 and alike?

      I think apart from Mozilla, most projects are on board to fight or at least block AI.

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      #6

      @ftranschel "I can get LLM corruption out of all the software in my computer except my web browser and password manager", in addition to being at this point afaik still aspirational, is kinda… that's not a good outcome. The web browser and password manager have extreme permissions and extreme capacity to do harm.

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      • mcc@mastodon.socialM mcc@mastodon.social

        My understanding is that Bitwarden and KeePassXC, the two open source password managers, are *both* using random code generators at this point, which is terrifying as those are the exact tools where a small error could have the largest negative impact, and also tools that once you've committed to using it you can't quickly back out if they enter a code quality decline

        https://github.com/bitwarden/clients/tree/main/.claude

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        #7

        @mcc yeah. shit.

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        • mcc@mastodon.socialM mcc@mastodon.social

          @ftranschel "I can get LLM corruption out of all the software in my computer except my web browser and password manager", in addition to being at this point afaik still aspirational, is kinda… that's not a good outcome. The web browser and password manager have extreme permissions and extreme capacity to do harm.

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          #8

          @ftranschel In addition, I have committed a tremendous error which is now coming back to bite me: I installed software written by BlueSky PBC

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          • mcc@mastodon.socialM mcc@mastodon.social

            My understanding is that Bitwarden and KeePassXC, the two open source password managers, are *both* using random code generators at this point, which is terrifying as those are the exact tools where a small error could have the largest negative impact, and also tools that once you've committed to using it you can't quickly back out if they enter a code quality decline

            https://github.com/bitwarden/clients/tree/main/.claude

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            #9

            @mcc 1Password says "We want team members at all levels to take the approach of actively learning AI best practices, identifying opportunities to apply AI in meaningful ways, and driving innovative solutions in their daily work. Embracing the future of AI isn't just encouraged at 1Password—it's an essential part of how we will be successful at 1Password."

            Pretty upset about KeepassXC on a personal level.

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            • itamarst@hachyderm.ioI itamarst@hachyderm.io

              @mcc 1Password says "We want team members at all levels to take the approach of actively learning AI best practices, identifying opportunities to apply AI in meaningful ways, and driving innovative solutions in their daily work. Embracing the future of AI isn't just encouraged at 1Password—it's an essential part of how we will be successful at 1Password."

              Pretty upset about KeepassXC on a personal level.

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              #10

              @itamarst Well, there is no universe where I would consider using 1password, but I guess that's still good to know

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              • mcc@mastodon.socialM mcc@mastodon.social

                @itamarst Well, there is no universe where I would consider using 1password, but I guess that's still good to know

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                #11

                @mcc @itamarst it's a solidarity building exercise, now we can all be upset together

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                • mcc@mastodon.socialM mcc@mastodon.social

                  My understanding is that Bitwarden and KeePassXC, the two open source password managers, are *both* using random code generators at this point, which is terrifying as those are the exact tools where a small error could have the largest negative impact, and also tools that once you've committed to using it you can't quickly back out if they enter a code quality decline

                  https://github.com/bitwarden/clients/tree/main/.claude

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                  #12

                  @mcc …shit

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                  • glyph@mastodon.socialG glyph@mastodon.social

                    @mcc @itamarst it's a solidarity building exercise, now we can all be upset together

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                    #13

                    @mcc @itamarst this is a bit tangential to the whole thing but that phrasing bothers me a LOT. "an essential part" — is it? is it "essential?" where was it five years ago? and three years from now, when everyone, even the most braindead useless dead-weight MBA executive, finally realizes that it doesn't fucking work at all, will it still be "essential" then? or is the plan to stop being successful?

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                    • mcc@mastodon.socialM mcc@mastodon.social

                      My understanding is that Bitwarden and KeePassXC, the two open source password managers, are *both* using random code generators at this point, which is terrifying as those are the exact tools where a small error could have the largest negative impact, and also tools that once you've committed to using it you can't quickly back out if they enter a code quality decline

                      https://github.com/bitwarden/clients/tree/main/.claude

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                      #14

                      @mcc Yeah, KeePassXC going this route really hurt. I'm probably going to migrate back to a text file encrypted with gnupg for basic password management, but I have no idea what I'm going to use for one-time passcodes.

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                      • glyph@mastodon.socialG glyph@mastodon.social

                        @mcc @itamarst this is a bit tangential to the whole thing but that phrasing bothers me a LOT. "an essential part" — is it? is it "essential?" where was it five years ago? and three years from now, when everyone, even the most braindead useless dead-weight MBA executive, finally realizes that it doesn't fucking work at all, will it still be "essential" then? or is the plan to stop being successful?

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                        #15

                        @mcc @itamarst obviously this bothers me because it's a common trope at this point

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                        • lingmops@topspicy.socialL lingmops@topspicy.social

                          @mcc …shit

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                          #16

                          @Lingmops @mcc I’m beginning to feel as if I’m gonna need to head back to just saving my pswds in a text file on my computer again. 🫤

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                          • glyph@mastodon.socialG glyph@mastodon.social

                            @mcc @itamarst this is a bit tangential to the whole thing but that phrasing bothers me a LOT. "an essential part" — is it? is it "essential?" where was it five years ago? and three years from now, when everyone, even the most braindead useless dead-weight MBA executive, finally realizes that it doesn't fucking work at all, will it still be "essential" then? or is the plan to stop being successful?

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                            #17

                            @glyph @itamarst i'm assuming they'll go directly to "ah, we're already using it, so we can't back it out now" even in orgs where the primary driver of it being used was executive mandates that each employee use a certain number of AI tokens per month

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                            • mcc@mastodon.socialM mcc@mastodon.social

                              @ariadne I am, in a flippant and general way, saying I want to eradicate all code with "AI code assistant" contributions from my computer and VPSes, but I do not currently know a way to do so. I keep having programs I previously installed add the poison after the fact without public notice. https://mastodon.social/@mcc/116110912928005524

                              Perhaps in future I will have to use Alpine Linux if that's how I get my code audited for no "AI" contributions.

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                              #18

                              @mcc @ariadne I have the same feeling, if something I use start accepting AI code assistant contributions, I am considering it the same way as any proprietary software.

                              On the subject of Bitwarden, it seems that Vaultwarden isn't accepting any AI contributions so far (would need to dig more into issues/PRs to be 100% sure), so I will likely fork bitwarden client or make my own client... 🙃

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                              • mcc@mastodon.socialM mcc@mastodon.social

                                My understanding is that Bitwarden and KeePassXC, the two open source password managers, are *both* using random code generators at this point, which is terrifying as those are the exact tools where a small error could have the largest negative impact, and also tools that once you've committed to using it you can't quickly back out if they enter a code quality decline

                                https://github.com/bitwarden/clients/tree/main/.claude

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                                #19

                                @mcc I admit I don't know the KeePass ecosystem terribly well, but does this go "up the chain" to regular KeePass 2.x or is it just XC?

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                                • mcc@mastodon.socialM mcc@mastodon.social

                                  RE: https://mastodon.scot/@kim_harding/116108957641748718

                                  I want this but as a Linux distribution. I don't think I'm asking for much here. I am just asking for the "open source community" to be to the left of Goldman Sachs

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                                  #20

                                  @mcc I am dropping/switching any FOSS tools that I know are using GenAI/LLMs and it is getting bleak -_-

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                                  • mcc@mastodon.socialM mcc@mastodon.social

                                    My understanding is that Bitwarden and KeePassXC, the two open source password managers, are *both* using random code generators at this point, which is terrifying as those are the exact tools where a small error could have the largest negative impact, and also tools that once you've committed to using it you can't quickly back out if they enter a code quality decline

                                    https://github.com/bitwarden/clients/tree/main/.claude

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                                    #21

                                    RE: https://wellduck.me/@greyduck/116110983001607000

                                    I would like the answer to this question as well.

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                                    • mary@chaos.socialM mary@chaos.social

                                      @mcc @ariadne I have the same feeling, if something I use start accepting AI code assistant contributions, I am considering it the same way as any proprietary software.

                                      On the subject of Bitwarden, it seems that Vaultwarden isn't accepting any AI contributions so far (would need to dig more into issues/PRs to be 100% sure), so I will likely fork bitwarden client or make my own client... 🙃

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                                      #22

                                      @mary @ariadne That's interesting but as you say, vaultwarden without the client is… there's not a way to use it is there?

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                                      • brett_e_carlock@mastodon.onlineB brett_e_carlock@mastodon.online

                                        @mcc I am dropping/switching any FOSS tools that I know are using GenAI/LLMs and it is getting bleak -_-

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                                        #23

                                        @Brett_E_Carlock the problem is removing any one tool from my life is a relatively large time investment and projects are adding "boycott me" flags faster than I can switch to or create alternatives

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                                        • mcc@mastodon.socialM mcc@mastodon.social

                                          @glyph @itamarst i'm assuming they'll go directly to "ah, we're already using it, so we can't back it out now" even in orgs where the primary driver of it being used was executive mandates that each employee use a certain number of AI tokens per month

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                                          #24

                                          @mcc @itamarst my prediction is that they will pretend that once there are a few more truly catastrophic stories in the press, like if a whistleblower shows up to conclusively prove that Microsoft *knows* copilot is causing all the Windows bugs that everyone suspects it is, they will simply change the copy on their website to indicate that they were always against this and they were never fooled, and there will not be consequences for anyone involved

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