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“We should not publicly shame companies for being inaccessible because that only produces fear-induced compliance instead of sustainable compliance.”

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  • yatil@yatil.socialY This user is from outside of this forum
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    yatil@yatil.social
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    #1

    “We should not publicly shame companies for being inaccessible because that only produces fear-induced compliance instead of sustainable compliance.”

    *Eric turns chair and then baseball cap around.*

    Better fear-induced compliance than no compliance at all.

    jstark@tweesecake.socialJ erikkroes@mastodon.socialE aardrian@toot.cafeA torb@hachyderm.ioT 4 Antworten Letzte Antwort
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    • yatil@yatil.socialY yatil@yatil.social

      “We should not publicly shame companies for being inaccessible because that only produces fear-induced compliance instead of sustainable compliance.”

      *Eric turns chair and then baseball cap around.*

      Better fear-induced compliance than no compliance at all.

      jstark@tweesecake.socialJ This user is from outside of this forum
      jstark@tweesecake.socialJ This user is from outside of this forum
      jstark@tweesecake.social
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      #2

      @Tamasg @yatil unfortunately no statistically significant change in the IT space related to accessibility was every done without some form of negative incentive like courts, laws or standards...

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      • jstark@tweesecake.socialJ jstark@tweesecake.social

        @Tamasg @yatil unfortunately no statistically significant change in the IT space related to accessibility was every done without some form of negative incentive like courts, laws or standards...

        yatil@yatil.socialY This user is from outside of this forum
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        yatil@yatil.social
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        #3

        @jstark @Tamasg Demonstrably untrue.

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        • yatil@yatil.socialY yatil@yatil.social

          @jstark @Tamasg Demonstrably untrue.

          jstark@tweesecake.socialJ This user is from outside of this forum
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          #4

          @yatil @Tamasg name 5 companies of any worth that do it?

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          • jstark@tweesecake.socialJ jstark@tweesecake.social

            @yatil @Tamasg name 5 companies of any worth that do it?

            yatil@yatil.socialY This user is from outside of this forum
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            yatil@yatil.social
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            #5

            @jstark @Tamasg Show me your statistic. (Apple, Microsoft, Amazon, Nintendo, Pearson, every big retailer in Europe has made improvements)

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            • yatil@yatil.socialY yatil@yatil.social

              @jstark @Tamasg Show me your statistic. (Apple, Microsoft, Amazon, Nintendo, Pearson, every big retailer in Europe has made improvements)

              jstark@tweesecake.socialJ This user is from outside of this forum
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              #6

              @yatil @Tamasg show me it wasn't due to a complaint, court case, regulation, standards... most of those referenced are...

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              • yatil@yatil.socialY yatil@yatil.social

                @jstark @Tamasg Show me your statistic. (Apple, Microsoft, Amazon, Nintendo, Pearson, every big retailer in Europe has made improvements)

                jstark@tweesecake.socialJ This user is from outside of this forum
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                #7

                @yatil @Tamasg and quite frankly, repots like this, aren't encouraging: https://webaim.org/projects/million/

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                • yatil@yatil.socialY yatil@yatil.social

                  “We should not publicly shame companies for being inaccessible because that only produces fear-induced compliance instead of sustainable compliance.”

                  *Eric turns chair and then baseball cap around.*

                  Better fear-induced compliance than no compliance at all.

                  erikkroes@mastodon.socialE This user is from outside of this forum
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                  erikkroes@mastodon.social
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                  #8

                  @yatil result over motivation

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                  • jstark@tweesecake.socialJ jstark@tweesecake.social

                    @yatil @Tamasg show me it wasn't due to a complaint, court case, regulation, standards... most of those referenced are...

                    yatil@yatil.socialY This user is from outside of this forum
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                    #9

                    @jstark @Tamasg Sorry, I don’t have to bring receipts to refute a claim you did without substance. Some stuff happened through external pressure, some through internal stuff. This is not black and white.

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                    • jstark@tweesecake.socialJ jstark@tweesecake.social

                      @yatil @Tamasg and quite frankly, repots like this, aren't encouraging: https://webaim.org/projects/million/

                      yatil@yatil.socialY This user is from outside of this forum
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                      yatil@yatil.social
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                      #10

                      @jstark @Tamasg The absolute numbers don’t look good, the change looks quite encouraging, actually. I wrote about it here: https://yatil.net/blog/access-by-a-thousand-curb-cuts

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                      • jstark@tweesecake.socialJ jstark@tweesecake.social

                        @yatil @Tamasg and quite frankly, repots like this, aren't encouraging: https://webaim.org/projects/million/

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                        #11

                        @jstark Sometimes though change happens because people did work on the inside. When Microsoft decided to add MSAA (Microsoft Active accessibility) to Windows, it wasn't because there was a lawsuit, but we had people like Kelly Ford and others working inside to make change happen. Wouldn't call that one fear-based, although perhaps pressures by orgs did help that come along, since people were so concerned about transitioning from DOS to Windows. But I definitely know that that one wasn't lawsuit, but in 1997, primarily due to pressure from disability advocates and government agencies. @yatil

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                        • T tamasg@mindly.social

                          @jstark Sometimes though change happens because people did work on the inside. When Microsoft decided to add MSAA (Microsoft Active accessibility) to Windows, it wasn't because there was a lawsuit, but we had people like Kelly Ford and others working inside to make change happen. Wouldn't call that one fear-based, although perhaps pressures by orgs did help that come along, since people were so concerned about transitioning from DOS to Windows. But I definitely know that that one wasn't lawsuit, but in 1997, primarily due to pressure from disability advocates and government agencies. @yatil

                          jstark@tweesecake.socialJ This user is from outside of this forum
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                          #12

                          @Tamasg @yatil I'm simply saying it's rarely occuring without encouragement

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                          • jstark@tweesecake.socialJ jstark@tweesecake.social

                            @Tamasg @yatil I'm simply saying it's rarely occuring without encouragement

                            yatil@yatil.socialY This user is from outside of this forum
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                            #13

                            @jstark @Tamasg I think I misread your previous message. I mean the same thing. Sorry for the confusion.

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                            • yatil@yatil.socialY yatil@yatil.social

                              “We should not publicly shame companies for being inaccessible because that only produces fear-induced compliance instead of sustainable compliance.”

                              *Eric turns chair and then baseball cap around.*

                              Better fear-induced compliance than no compliance at all.

                              aardrian@toot.cafeA This user is from outside of this forum
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                              #14

                              @yatil Who the hell is carrying water for the corps?

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                              • yatil@yatil.socialY yatil@yatil.social

                                “We should not publicly shame companies for being inaccessible because that only produces fear-induced compliance instead of sustainable compliance.”

                                *Eric turns chair and then baseball cap around.*

                                Better fear-induced compliance than no compliance at all.

                                torb@hachyderm.ioT This user is from outside of this forum
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                                #15

                                @yatil There's been so many times in life I'd *love* to be able to point to shaming to justify to my superiors why I'm spending time on accessibility.

                                Put another way: I think shaming could very well help out those that are already motivated to allow them to do what they actually want to do (make stuff that's accessible).

                                I know I'm not alone in literally being told to not spend time and resources on accessibility.

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                                • aardrian@toot.cafeA aardrian@toot.cafe

                                  @yatil Who the hell is carrying water for the corps?

                                  yatil@yatil.socialY This user is from outside of this forum
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                                  #16

                                  @aardrian Some guy on LinkedIn. As always.

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                                  • yatil@yatil.socialY yatil@yatil.social

                                    @aardrian Some guy on LinkedIn. As always.

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                                    #17

                                    @yatil Ah, yeah, LinkedIn is not exactly known for people sharing smart ideas.

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