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  • terminaltilt@climatejustice.socialT terminaltilt@climatejustice.social

    Jeff Bezos is saying the quiet part out loud. They want to kill local computing.

    You will own nothing and be happy. You will rent your computing power from the cloud. You pay a subscription for the privilege of using a computer.

    AI demand is artificially spiking DRAM prices and Big Tech is pushing "AI PCs," the squeeze is on to force us into a rental model.

    Reject this future.

    Keep your hardware local.

    Run #Linux.

    Own your data.

    The "cloud" is just a landlord for your data.

    #NoAi #FOSS #OpenSource #Privacy #SelfHost #SelfHosting #BigTech #RightToRepair #RAM #Amazon #EatTheRich

    https://www.windowscentral.com/artificial-intelligence/jeff-bezos-says-the-quiet-part-out-loud-bezos-envisions-that-youll-give-up-your-pc-for-an-ai-cloud-version

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    #36

    @terminaltilt
    Honestly, I really like cloud computing and cloud storage.
    Since we’re almost always connected to the internet, it’s an incredibly useful solution.

    I'd be happy to pay a subscription fee if:
    1) my data is properly encrypted
    2) my data stays on a European server
    3) my money doesn't go to a dictatorship country (such as where Bezos lives)
    4) the system I'm using is FOSS

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    • cnx@awkward.placeC cnx@awkward.place

      You will rent your computing power from the cloud. You pay a subscription for the privilege of using a computer.

      @terminaltilt@climatejustice.social, this already happened, through the form of applications that are thin clients to SaaSS.

      Run Linux. <img class="not-responsive emoji" src="https://awkward.place/emoji/stolen/tux.png" title=":tux:" />

      Run <img class="not-responsive emoji" src="https://awkward.place/emoji/stolen/gnu.png" title=":gnu:" /> or something idk, but Linux users are renting computing powers through SaaSS. <img class="not-responsive emoji" src="https://awkward.place/emoji/stolen/android.png" title=":android:" />

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      #37

      @cnx @terminaltilt

      > but Linux users are renting computing powers through SaaSS.

      Please elaborate how

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      • snep@y.diskcat.comS snep@y.diskcat.com

        @cnx @terminaltilt

        > but Linux users are renting computing powers through SaaSS.

        Please elaborate how

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        #38

        Already did in that comment, but since I can't rule out custom emoji inaccessibility issues, Imma spell it out for thee, @snep@y.diskcat.com: Android Google/Linux.

        Cc: @terminaltilt@climatejustice.social

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        • terminaltilt@climatejustice.socialT terminaltilt@climatejustice.social

          Jeff Bezos is saying the quiet part out loud. They want to kill local computing.

          You will own nothing and be happy. You will rent your computing power from the cloud. You pay a subscription for the privilege of using a computer.

          AI demand is artificially spiking DRAM prices and Big Tech is pushing "AI PCs," the squeeze is on to force us into a rental model.

          Reject this future.

          Keep your hardware local.

          Run #Linux.

          Own your data.

          The "cloud" is just a landlord for your data.

          #NoAi #FOSS #OpenSource #Privacy #SelfHost #SelfHosting #BigTech #RightToRepair #RAM #Amazon #EatTheRich

          https://www.windowscentral.com/artificial-intelligence/jeff-bezos-says-the-quiet-part-out-loud-bezos-envisions-that-youll-give-up-your-pc-for-an-ai-cloud-version

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          #39

          @terminaltilt
          My wife is a very aware and private person, so she doesn't want any of our personal information in the cloud.

          As a person who stopped doing hands on tech work 20 years ago, I'm amazed that many of my old Unix skills are still current an suitable to run home systems.

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          • cnx@awkward.placeC cnx@awkward.place

            Already did in that comment, but since I can't rule out custom emoji inaccessibility issues, Imma spell it out for thee, @snep@y.diskcat.com: Android Google/Linux.

            Cc: @terminaltilt@climatejustice.social

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            #40

            @cnx @terminaltilt So your comment isn't regarding Linux distributions as a whole, you're rather referring to Linux kernels running underneath Android *specifically?

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            • snep@y.diskcat.comS snep@y.diskcat.com

              @cnx @terminaltilt So your comment isn't regarding Linux distributions as a whole, you're rather referring to Linux kernels running underneath Android *specifically?

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              #41

              Yea @snep@y.diskcat.com, I was replying to @terminaltilt@climatejustice.social who claimed using Linux is a solution against SaaSS, when it's really about empowering everyone with a free software. Linux is not a politically important part of GNU/Linux distributions (and GNU implementations too for that matter, but at least the GNU project, unlike the Linux Foundation, isn't advocating for proprietary software and SaaSS). Neither do GNU/Linux distributions hold a significant market share of Linux, most of which being Android that many people are already using.

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              • lorenzobonomelli@mastodon.socialL lorenzobonomelli@mastodon.social

                @terminaltilt
                Honestly, I really like cloud computing and cloud storage.
                Since we’re almost always connected to the internet, it’s an incredibly useful solution.

                I'd be happy to pay a subscription fee if:
                1) my data is properly encrypted
                2) my data stays on a European server
                3) my money doesn't go to a dictatorship country (such as where Bezos lives)
                4) the system I'm using is FOSS

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                #42

                @LorenzoBonomelli @terminaltilt will you still like it if they pass laws that enforce on-device scanning of all data on the internet?

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                • terminaltilt@climatejustice.socialT terminaltilt@climatejustice.social

                  Jeff Bezos is saying the quiet part out loud. They want to kill local computing.

                  You will own nothing and be happy. You will rent your computing power from the cloud. You pay a subscription for the privilege of using a computer.

                  AI demand is artificially spiking DRAM prices and Big Tech is pushing "AI PCs," the squeeze is on to force us into a rental model.

                  Reject this future.

                  Keep your hardware local.

                  Run #Linux.

                  Own your data.

                  The "cloud" is just a landlord for your data.

                  #NoAi #FOSS #OpenSource #Privacy #SelfHost #SelfHosting #BigTech #RightToRepair #RAM #Amazon #EatTheRich

                  https://www.windowscentral.com/artificial-intelligence/jeff-bezos-says-the-quiet-part-out-loud-bezos-envisions-that-youll-give-up-your-pc-for-an-ai-cloud-version

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                  #43

                  @terminaltilt They are closing in: Big Tech is on the prowl of ALL of your data. And flooding the internet with all their AI infested cloudware, they can respond with ever so heavily manipulated lies and bogus selling it to you as facts and truth, regardless whatever you were searching for on that web. That fake reality will warp anything more strongly than a supermassive black hole.

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                  • S shadows@beige.party

                    @LorenzoBonomelli @terminaltilt will you still like it if they pass laws that enforce on-device scanning of all data on the internet?

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                    #44

                    @shadows @terminaltilt

                    Well, I'm not an IT expert, so I'm not sure I got what you said to me 😅

                    Isn’t data encryption on servers enough to keep my files reasonably safe from everyone, including the hosting company?

                    If the system were FOSS, could a law force the provider to insert a decryption backdoor without the user knowing?

                    In short terms: is on-device scanning for such systems technologically feasible?

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                    • lorenzobonomelli@mastodon.socialL lorenzobonomelli@mastodon.social

                      @terminaltilt
                      Honestly, I really like cloud computing and cloud storage.
                      Since we’re almost always connected to the internet, it’s an incredibly useful solution.

                      I'd be happy to pay a subscription fee if:
                      1) my data is properly encrypted
                      2) my data stays on a European server
                      3) my money doesn't go to a dictatorship country (such as where Bezos lives)
                      4) the system I'm using is FOSS

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                      #45

                      @LorenzoBonomelli
                      But someone else defines issues 1) thru 4) for you. They own your data then. Your data is on THEIR computer.
                      @terminaltilt

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                      • terminaltilt@climatejustice.socialT terminaltilt@climatejustice.social

                        Jeff Bezos is saying the quiet part out loud. They want to kill local computing.

                        You will own nothing and be happy. You will rent your computing power from the cloud. You pay a subscription for the privilege of using a computer.

                        AI demand is artificially spiking DRAM prices and Big Tech is pushing "AI PCs," the squeeze is on to force us into a rental model.

                        Reject this future.

                        Keep your hardware local.

                        Run #Linux.

                        Own your data.

                        The "cloud" is just a landlord for your data.

                        #NoAi #FOSS #OpenSource #Privacy #SelfHost #SelfHosting #BigTech #RightToRepair #RAM #Amazon #EatTheRich

                        https://www.windowscentral.com/artificial-intelligence/jeff-bezos-says-the-quiet-part-out-loud-bezos-envisions-that-youll-give-up-your-pc-for-an-ai-cloud-version

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                        #46

                        @terminaltilt and then as I've just found with FB, if you become persona non grata they can just erase your entire existence really easily. Easier to control citizens if their data is on servers they don't control.

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                        • nicovel0@mastodon.socialN nicovel0@mastodon.social

                          @terminaltilt those people have no new ideas, Bezos just reinvented the mainframe.

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                          #47

                          @Nicovel0 HIS mainframe, YOUR data. Pictures of your kids, stored digital receipts of stuff you bought, a photographed confession of that remote uncle who came out in 1944, then snatched by the Nazis, you being confronted with secret messages from your spouse to her co-worker, your pictures where you wear girl's clothes and make-up. Regardless how anyone reacts to them, you truly don't want anyone to google around your data.
                          @terminaltilt

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                          • andre_ourednik@mastodon.socialA andre_ourednik@mastodon.social

                            @terminaltilt As much as I abhore anything that Jeff does and represents, I see an environmental point in a rental model. In the sense that ownership of hardware in a programmed obsolescence industry model is ecologically worse. Most people run their daily apps on massively overpowered individual machines, produced at huge environmental cost. And I see potential in sharing hardware here. But definitely not on AWS. Rather local hubs, something like a decentralized network of remote processors

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                            #48

                            @andre_ourednik That's not what Bezos means. He wants YOUR data on HIS centralized 'mainframe'.
                            @terminaltilt

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                            • trimtab@mastodon.socialT trimtab@mastodon.social

                              @terminaltilt Bezos is the alternate universe inverse evil version of Patrick Stewart.... Utterly cruel, greedy, narcissistic, and uncharismatic.

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                              #49

                              @TrimTab @terminaltilt Do you imply that Bezos's mother had worms when he was born?

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                              • terminaltilt@climatejustice.socialT terminaltilt@climatejustice.social

                                Jeff Bezos is saying the quiet part out loud. They want to kill local computing.

                                You will own nothing and be happy. You will rent your computing power from the cloud. You pay a subscription for the privilege of using a computer.

                                AI demand is artificially spiking DRAM prices and Big Tech is pushing "AI PCs," the squeeze is on to force us into a rental model.

                                Reject this future.

                                Keep your hardware local.

                                Run #Linux.

                                Own your data.

                                The "cloud" is just a landlord for your data.

                                #NoAi #FOSS #OpenSource #Privacy #SelfHost #SelfHosting #BigTech #RightToRepair #RAM #Amazon #EatTheRich

                                https://www.windowscentral.com/artificial-intelligence/jeff-bezos-says-the-quiet-part-out-loud-bezos-envisions-that-youll-give-up-your-pc-for-an-ai-cloud-version

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                                #50

                                @terminaltilt

                                This has already happened for most people. This is basically what most apps and browser-based services are. First it was email, now it's everything from word processing and spreadsheets to graphic design and video editing.

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                                • terminaltilt@climatejustice.socialT terminaltilt@climatejustice.social

                                  Jeff Bezos is saying the quiet part out loud. They want to kill local computing.

                                  You will own nothing and be happy. You will rent your computing power from the cloud. You pay a subscription for the privilege of using a computer.

                                  AI demand is artificially spiking DRAM prices and Big Tech is pushing "AI PCs," the squeeze is on to force us into a rental model.

                                  Reject this future.

                                  Keep your hardware local.

                                  Run #Linux.

                                  Own your data.

                                  The "cloud" is just a landlord for your data.

                                  #NoAi #FOSS #OpenSource #Privacy #SelfHost #SelfHosting #BigTech #RightToRepair #RAM #Amazon #EatTheRich

                                  https://www.windowscentral.com/artificial-intelligence/jeff-bezos-says-the-quiet-part-out-loud-bezos-envisions-that-youll-give-up-your-pc-for-an-ai-cloud-version

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                                  #51

                                  @terminaltilt I'm not saying you're wrong, but how can they be both wanting to kill local confusing and pushing "AI pcs" that can perform AI calculations locally at the same time?

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                                  • terminaltilt@climatejustice.socialT terminaltilt@climatejustice.social

                                    Jeff Bezos is saying the quiet part out loud. They want to kill local computing.

                                    You will own nothing and be happy. You will rent your computing power from the cloud. You pay a subscription for the privilege of using a computer.

                                    AI demand is artificially spiking DRAM prices and Big Tech is pushing "AI PCs," the squeeze is on to force us into a rental model.

                                    Reject this future.

                                    Keep your hardware local.

                                    Run #Linux.

                                    Own your data.

                                    The "cloud" is just a landlord for your data.

                                    #NoAi #FOSS #OpenSource #Privacy #SelfHost #SelfHosting #BigTech #RightToRepair #RAM #Amazon #EatTheRich

                                    https://www.windowscentral.com/artificial-intelligence/jeff-bezos-says-the-quiet-part-out-loud-bezos-envisions-that-youll-give-up-your-pc-for-an-ai-cloud-version

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                                    #52

                                    @terminaltilt

                                    Meine Daten auf meine Festplatte, und das seit ich einen PC habe

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                                    • terminaltilt@climatejustice.socialT terminaltilt@climatejustice.social

                                      Jeff Bezos is saying the quiet part out loud. They want to kill local computing.

                                      You will own nothing and be happy. You will rent your computing power from the cloud. You pay a subscription for the privilege of using a computer.

                                      AI demand is artificially spiking DRAM prices and Big Tech is pushing "AI PCs," the squeeze is on to force us into a rental model.

                                      Reject this future.

                                      Keep your hardware local.

                                      Run #Linux.

                                      Own your data.

                                      The "cloud" is just a landlord for your data.

                                      #NoAi #FOSS #OpenSource #Privacy #SelfHost #SelfHosting #BigTech #RightToRepair #RAM #Amazon #EatTheRich

                                      https://www.windowscentral.com/artificial-intelligence/jeff-bezos-says-the-quiet-part-out-loud-bezos-envisions-that-youll-give-up-your-pc-for-an-ai-cloud-version

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                                      #53

                                      @terminaltilt The internet shifted power to the edges, then it all got sucked back into the centre again.

                                      Screw that. The mechanisms to DIY the future still exist. Always have.

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                                      • lorenzobonomelli@mastodon.socialL lorenzobonomelli@mastodon.social

                                        @shadows @terminaltilt

                                        Well, I'm not an IT expert, so I'm not sure I got what you said to me 😅

                                        Isn’t data encryption on servers enough to keep my files reasonably safe from everyone, including the hosting company?

                                        If the system were FOSS, could a law force the provider to insert a decryption backdoor without the user knowing?

                                        In short terms: is on-device scanning for such systems technologically feasible?

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                                        #54

                                        @LorenzoBonomelli The most common form of encryption In The Cloud™ is the one that they do with keys that they know and control. This makes it straightforward for them to read your stuff, or pass an unencrypted copy to any other entity.

                                        FOSS generally makes it even easier to insert backdoors into copies that they control. It makes it more difficult to insert backdoors into the master source code, but you don't get to decide what version runs on their computers.

                                        It's all about who's in control.

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                                        • andre_ourednik@mastodon.socialA andre_ourednik@mastodon.social

                                          @terminaltilt As much as I abhore anything that Jeff does and represents, I see an environmental point in a rental model. In the sense that ownership of hardware in a programmed obsolescence industry model is ecologically worse. Most people run their daily apps on massively overpowered individual machines, produced at huge environmental cost. And I see potential in sharing hardware here. But definitely not on AWS. Rather local hubs, something like a decentralized network of remote processors

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                                          #55

                                          @andre_ourednik @terminaltilt IIRC, there were multiple studies on game streaming which came to the conclusion that even with a thin client, streaming consumes more energy and resources. A local gaming PC is a self-contained device. Streaming not only requires powerful data centres, but also robust infrastructure between your local device and the data centre. Furthermore, thin clients are more prone to be replaced every few years due to non-replaceable batteries and a lack of software updates.

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