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  3. When I published yesterday's infographic about the origin of the word 'friend', people were surprised that it's related to the first part of 'Friday' and its cognates, such as German 'Freitag' and Dutch 'vrijdag'.

When I published yesterday's infographic about the origin of the word 'friend', people were surprised that it's related to the first part of 'Friday' and its cognates, such as German 'Freitag' and Dutch 'vrijdag'.

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  • yvanspijk@toot.communityY This user is from outside of this forum
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    When I published yesterday's infographic about the origin of the word 'friend', people were surprised that it's related to the first part of 'Friday' and its cognates, such as German 'Freitag' and Dutch 'vrijdag'. As my graphic explained, this part stems from the Proto-Germanic goddess name *Frijjō, which in Old Norse became 'Frigg'.

    Several people expressed their disbelief and some even said I was wrong, claiming that 'Friday' contains 'Frey(j)a' instead. Sadly, that's a myth that's ... 1/

    yvanspijk@toot.communityY baronwalschap@mastodon.nlB zdl@mstdn.socialZ 3 Antworten Letzte Antwort
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    • yvanspijk@toot.communityY yvanspijk@toot.community

      When I published yesterday's infographic about the origin of the word 'friend', people were surprised that it's related to the first part of 'Friday' and its cognates, such as German 'Freitag' and Dutch 'vrijdag'. As my graphic explained, this part stems from the Proto-Germanic goddess name *Frijjō, which in Old Norse became 'Frigg'.

      Several people expressed their disbelief and some even said I was wrong, claiming that 'Friday' contains 'Frey(j)a' instead. Sadly, that's a myth that's ... 1/

      yvanspijk@toot.communityY This user is from outside of this forum
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      2/ ... propagated by non-linguistic sources written by people that go by the looks of words: "X looks like Y so X must descend from Y." It's the biggest pitfall when it comes to etymology.

      My infographic explained that 'Frey(j)a' is completely unrelated to 'Friday'. The Old Norse name 'Freyja' comes from Proto-Germanic *fraujōn, which meant "lady". Old Norse regular sound changes made *au undergo i/j-umlaut, turning it into ey. Compare how *draumijanan became Old Norse 'dreyma'.

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      • yvanspijk@toot.communityY yvanspijk@toot.community

        2/ ... propagated by non-linguistic sources written by people that go by the looks of words: "X looks like Y so X must descend from Y." It's the biggest pitfall when it comes to etymology.

        My infographic explained that 'Frey(j)a' is completely unrelated to 'Friday'. The Old Norse name 'Freyja' comes from Proto-Germanic *fraujōn, which meant "lady". Old Norse regular sound changes made *au undergo i/j-umlaut, turning it into ey. Compare how *draumijanan became Old Norse 'dreyma'.

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        yvanspijk@toot.communityY This user is from outside of this forum
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        3/

        In Dutch and German, different sound changes operated. There, *fraujōn became 'vrouw(e)' and 'Frau'. Had these languages based their day name on *fraujōn, we would've ended up with **vrouwdag and **Frautag.

        The sound string *-ij- in the Proto-Germanic genitive *Frijjōz became Dutch ij, regularly producing Middle Dutch 'vrīdag' and modern 'vrijdag'. Via Old High German 'frīatag', we get 'Freitag'. Compare how ... 3/

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        • yvanspijk@toot.communityY yvanspijk@toot.community

          3/

          In Dutch and German, different sound changes operated. There, *fraujōn became 'vrouw(e)' and 'Frau'. Had these languages based their day name on *fraujōn, we would've ended up with **vrouwdag and **Frautag.

          The sound string *-ij- in the Proto-Germanic genitive *Frijjōz became Dutch ij, regularly producing Middle Dutch 'vrīdag' and modern 'vrijdag'. Via Old High German 'frīatag', we get 'Freitag'. Compare how ... 3/

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          4/ ... *frijaz ("free") became 'vrī' > 'vrij', and 'frī' > 'frei'.

          Old Norse turned the double j of *Frijjō into gg, producing 'Frigg', just like *ajjan became 'egg' (which English borrowed).

          It's knowledge of sound changes like these that allows us to distinguish look-alikes from real descendants. Without it, etymology becoming a guessing game that fosters wild claims.

          As a historical linguist, I base my infographics on peer-reviewed scientific sources, among which ... 4/

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          • yvanspijk@toot.communityY yvanspijk@toot.community

            4/ ... *frijaz ("free") became 'vrī' > 'vrij', and 'frī' > 'frei'.

            Old Norse turned the double j of *Frijjō into gg, producing 'Frigg', just like *ajjan became 'egg' (which English borrowed).

            It's knowledge of sound changes like these that allows us to distinguish look-alikes from real descendants. Without it, etymology becoming a guessing game that fosters wild claims.

            As a historical linguist, I base my infographics on peer-reviewed scientific sources, among which ... 4/

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            5/ ... an array of etymological dictionaries, such as that of Kroonen (2013), De Vaan (2008), Philippa et al. (2003-2009), and the Oxford English Dictionary.

            If you're curious to hear how Proto-West Germanic *Frijjā dag ("Frigg's day") became Old English 'frīġedæġ' and eventually Modern English 'Friday', hree's a video I made in 2024:

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            • yvanspijk@toot.communityY yvanspijk@toot.community

              When I published yesterday's infographic about the origin of the word 'friend', people were surprised that it's related to the first part of 'Friday' and its cognates, such as German 'Freitag' and Dutch 'vrijdag'. As my graphic explained, this part stems from the Proto-Germanic goddess name *Frijjō, which in Old Norse became 'Frigg'.

              Several people expressed their disbelief and some even said I was wrong, claiming that 'Friday' contains 'Frey(j)a' instead. Sadly, that's a myth that's ... 1/

              baronwalschap@mastodon.nlB This user is from outside of this forum
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              @yvanspijk Ha, ik geloofde ook in die mythe dat vrijdag van Freya afkomstig was. Weer wat geleerd 😃

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              • yvanspijk@toot.communityY yvanspijk@toot.community

                When I published yesterday's infographic about the origin of the word 'friend', people were surprised that it's related to the first part of 'Friday' and its cognates, such as German 'Freitag' and Dutch 'vrijdag'. As my graphic explained, this part stems from the Proto-Germanic goddess name *Frijjō, which in Old Norse became 'Frigg'.

                Several people expressed their disbelief and some even said I was wrong, claiming that 'Friday' contains 'Frey(j)a' instead. Sadly, that's a myth that's ... 1/

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                @yvanspijk I used to believe that as well, coming from exactly the kind of people you later mention.

                Then I, you know, read a book. 🤣

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                • yvanspijk@toot.communityY yvanspijk@toot.community

                  5/ ... an array of etymological dictionaries, such as that of Kroonen (2013), De Vaan (2008), Philippa et al. (2003-2009), and the Oxford English Dictionary.

                  If you're curious to hear how Proto-West Germanic *Frijjā dag ("Frigg's day") became Old English 'frīġedæġ' and eventually Modern English 'Friday', hree's a video I made in 2024:

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                  @yvanspijk
                  Where is the "friend" which you mentioned in your first post. I'm confused.
                  Every other explanation I could follow.

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                  • yvanspijk@toot.communityY yvanspijk@toot.community

                    5/ ... an array of etymological dictionaries, such as that of Kroonen (2013), De Vaan (2008), Philippa et al. (2003-2009), and the Oxford English Dictionary.

                    If you're curious to hear how Proto-West Germanic *Frijjā dag ("Frigg's day") became Old English 'frīġedæġ' and eventually Modern English 'Friday', hree's a video I made in 2024:

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                    @yvanspijk But Frigg is the wife of odin and godess of destiny and wisdom, isn't she?

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                    • leelatorres@ieji.deL leelatorres@ieji.de

                      @yvanspijk
                      Where is the "friend" which you mentioned in your first post. I'm confused.
                      Every other explanation I could follow.

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                      @LeelaTorres It's here 😊:
                      https://toot.community/@yvanspijk/116093379201180246

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                      • gemuetsmorchel@troet.cafeG gemuetsmorchel@troet.cafe

                        @yvanspijk But Frigg is the wife of odin and godess of destiny and wisdom, isn't she?

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                        @gemuetsmorchel Yes, in Old Icelandic mythology, she is. However, we know very little about her West Germanic attributes, and even less about her in Proto-Germanic times.

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