I can’t remember where I saw it, but I feel like today is a good time to revisit the concept of “Vegan + bacon”.
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@danirabbit
I don't actually hate this but it's just reinventing the idea of vegetarianism.& maybe that does need some rejuvinating & maybe that'll do some good in the world, still it's really not veganism.
I don't think it's cool to benefit from the moral associations of veganism without the hard work (being an animal use abolitionist).
I guess vegetarianism is kinda lame nowadays (now we say plant-based or plant forward or 'vegan'), & part of that is because veganism makes it look obsolete, but you can't just take the name without doing the work.
@Opticacia @danirabbit OK, but who says they’re trying to benefit from any moral associations?
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I can’t remember where I saw it, but I feel like today is a good time to revisit the concept of “Vegan + bacon”.
People often avoid making small positive changes because they get caught up in trying to go all the way. For example, “I could never go vegan. I love bacon too much”.
So then go vegan plus bacon. Or vegetarian plus bacon. Or just switch to oat milk and eat more vegetables. Whatever small change you can make is good
@danirabbit I wholeheartedly agree. Many shades of grey are ok
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I can’t remember where I saw it, but I feel like today is a good time to revisit the concept of “Vegan + bacon”.
People often avoid making small positive changes because they get caught up in trying to go all the way. For example, “I could never go vegan. I love bacon too much”.
So then go vegan plus bacon. Or vegetarian plus bacon. Or just switch to oat milk and eat more vegetables. Whatever small change you can make is good
@danirabbit The trope about making perfect the enemy of the good aligns with this
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It's a terrible shame that synthetic meat seems to have fizzled out. It would've solved a lot of problems.
@argv_minus_one @danirabbit well the problem is that synthetic meat isn't 100% completely perfect with zero ethical or environmental or taste or texture issues, so it's basically a complete waste of time.
/sarcasm for Poes Law.
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I can’t remember where I saw it, but I feel like today is a good time to revisit the concept of “Vegan + bacon”.
People often avoid making small positive changes because they get caught up in trying to go all the way. For example, “I could never go vegan. I love bacon too much”.
So then go vegan plus bacon. Or vegetarian plus bacon. Or just switch to oat milk and eat more vegetables. Whatever small change you can make is good
@danirabbit this a smart approach and it's what we're doing or at least trying to do at home. We cook from scratch every day, use the public transport or walk and use the car only when is strictly necessary. I do like vegan dishes but I do like cheese too. My sister is vegan and her husband is not, living together is possible
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I can’t remember where I saw it, but I feel like today is a good time to revisit the concept of “Vegan + bacon”.
People often avoid making small positive changes because they get caught up in trying to go all the way. For example, “I could never go vegan. I love bacon too much”.
So then go vegan plus bacon. Or vegetarian plus bacon. Or just switch to oat milk and eat more vegetables. Whatever small change you can make is good
@danirabbit I've only been buying Oat Milk for 6 years, and before that it was Rice milk (what happened to that??), and before that I was 20 years on Skimmed. Now, cows' milk on my cornflakes tastes horrible!
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Maybe you can’t buy everything local. What one thing can you start buying local? Can you switch from Starbucks to the local coffee shop? Can you switch from Petco to the local pet feed store? Can you switch from Dominoes to a local pizza place?
Maybe you can’t completely de-Google or de-Apple or de-Amazon your life. Can you switch one thing? Can you use DuckDuckGo? Move your passwords to Bitwarden? Open a Fastmail account?
@danirabbit
thank you for putting into words what has been in my mind for a long time. -
I can’t remember where I saw it, but I feel like today is a good time to revisit the concept of “Vegan + bacon”.
People often avoid making small positive changes because they get caught up in trying to go all the way. For example, “I could never go vegan. I love bacon too much”.
So then go vegan plus bacon. Or vegetarian plus bacon. Or just switch to oat milk and eat more vegetables. Whatever small change you can make is good
@danirabbit I actually tend to order plant based burgers with bacon in it. It is a great way to lower your meat consumption while enjoying that tasty tasty bacon
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I can’t remember where I saw it, but I feel like today is a good time to revisit the concept of “Vegan + bacon”.
People often avoid making small positive changes because they get caught up in trying to go all the way. For example, “I could never go vegan. I love bacon too much”.
So then go vegan plus bacon. Or vegetarian plus bacon. Or just switch to oat milk and eat more vegetables. Whatever small change you can make is good
@danirabbit the Fork Ranger app or Instagram feed is a good place to start for anyone looking to reduce the amount of animal products they consume without committing to going fully vegan
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I can’t remember where I saw it, but I feel like today is a good time to revisit the concept of “Vegan + bacon”.
People often avoid making small positive changes because they get caught up in trying to go all the way. For example, “I could never go vegan. I love bacon too much”.
So then go vegan plus bacon. Or vegetarian plus bacon. Or just switch to oat milk and eat more vegetables. Whatever small change you can make is good
@danirabbit this is some popular thread. And also goes in my line of being "accidentally vegan" or "vegan where it doesn't hurt"
Like in a cake you usually don't need eggs, you could apple puree or vegan egg. For omelette keep your egg.
That slice of cheese on a burger? Vegan cheddar is just fine.
Some crumble in tomato sauce? Just add soya minced meat.
And you are fine to mix and match to your taste. Just reducing animal product consumption will help.
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I can’t remember where I saw it, but I feel like today is a good time to revisit the concept of “Vegan + bacon”.
People often avoid making small positive changes because they get caught up in trying to go all the way. For example, “I could never go vegan. I love bacon too much”.
So then go vegan plus bacon. Or vegetarian plus bacon. Or just switch to oat milk and eat more vegetables. Whatever small change you can make is good
@danirabbit vegan + mussles is underated nutritionally
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Maybe you can’t buy everything local. What one thing can you start buying local? Can you switch from Starbucks to the local coffee shop? Can you switch from Petco to the local pet feed store? Can you switch from Dominoes to a local pizza place?
Maybe you can’t completely de-Google or de-Apple or de-Amazon your life. Can you switch one thing? Can you use DuckDuckGo? Move your passwords to Bitwarden? Open a Fastmail account?
@danirabbit People usually underestimate how much difference small, incremental changes make over time.
If you get into the habit of preparing, say, 2 vegan meals per week, that's 100 vegan meals per year.
Plus, once you've got the hang of it, adding a third vegan meal isn't so hard. Or sometimes a fourth one, maybe. And suddenly you're at 150 per year.
It's the same for all the other good things. Doing a little, on a regular basis, just adds up, and opens further opportunities for change
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I can’t remember where I saw it, but I feel like today is a good time to revisit the concept of “Vegan + bacon”.
People often avoid making small positive changes because they get caught up in trying to go all the way. For example, “I could never go vegan. I love bacon too much”.
So then go vegan plus bacon. Or vegetarian plus bacon. Or just switch to oat milk and eat more vegetables. Whatever small change you can make is good
@danirabbit
This!
My parents just follow my national resources guidelines for meat consumption (which by global standards is LOW), as in2-3 meals of meat per day or less than 1 hot dog per person per day type deal. So mlst meals are "humble" but delicious if done well.
No need for the labels, no need for the flame wars. If you feel good from it and can stay happy like that then it's good for everyone on the planet. -
I can’t remember where I saw it, but I feel like today is a good time to revisit the concept of “Vegan + bacon”.
People often avoid making small positive changes because they get caught up in trying to go all the way. For example, “I could never go vegan. I love bacon too much”.
So then go vegan plus bacon. Or vegetarian plus bacon. Or just switch to oat milk and eat more vegetables. Whatever small change you can make is good
@danirabbit Yep. Like, 90% of my meals now are vegetarian, most of them also vegan, but I'm still an omnivore.
I feel that's a very achievable target for a large number of people, which would have more impact than a much smaller number going "all the way".
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@Opticacia I don’t know if you know this but bacon is not a vegetable
@danirabbit @Opticacia Ketchup is, though!
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@Opticacia @danirabbit OK, but who says they’re trying to benefit from any moral associations?
@mirjamsterdam @danirabbit
well I wouldn't think the vast majority of people are specifically trying to, but it I think it does factor into the popularity of veganism. If it weren't morally compelling then it would've remained an obscure offshoot of the vegetarian society, but now (as annoyed veggies will tell you) the vegetarian options on the menu are replaged by vegan ones.Plant-based eating is seen as the ideal in regard to health and environmentalism, loosening the standards may be a good thing in these contexts, but veganism is really qualitative not quantiative. The principle of animal liberation is incompatible with arbitrarily picking and choosing bits of animal exploitation to partake in based on, say, taste preference. So I think to refer to what is really plant-based eating or vegetarianism as 'veganism' is to benefit from what's percieved to be stronger moral position, while actually doing damage toward an understanding/cultrual norm of actual underlying principles.
Either way "putting into practice the principles of animal liberation by abstaining from enaging in animal exploitation" is a real mouthful it'd be nice if one day we could just 'vegan' and have that be understood, people appropriating the term isn't helping matters.
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@mirjamsterdam @danirabbit
well I wouldn't think the vast majority of people are specifically trying to, but it I think it does factor into the popularity of veganism. If it weren't morally compelling then it would've remained an obscure offshoot of the vegetarian society, but now (as annoyed veggies will tell you) the vegetarian options on the menu are replaged by vegan ones.Plant-based eating is seen as the ideal in regard to health and environmentalism, loosening the standards may be a good thing in these contexts, but veganism is really qualitative not quantiative. The principle of animal liberation is incompatible with arbitrarily picking and choosing bits of animal exploitation to partake in based on, say, taste preference. So I think to refer to what is really plant-based eating or vegetarianism as 'veganism' is to benefit from what's percieved to be stronger moral position, while actually doing damage toward an understanding/cultrual norm of actual underlying principles.
Either way "putting into practice the principles of animal liberation by abstaining from enaging in animal exploitation" is a real mouthful it'd be nice if one day we could just 'vegan' and have that be understood, people appropriating the term isn't helping matters.
@Opticacia @danirabbit I do get the point about precise terminology. I’m a vegetarian, not a vegan, and would never refer to myself as a vegan, or ‘vegan plus’, although I do try to replace more and more foods with plant-based alternatives. It annoys me when pescatarians are referred to as vegetarians (mainly because that confuses people as to whether vegetarians eat fish), so why would I do the same thing to vegans?
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I can’t remember where I saw it, but I feel like today is a good time to revisit the concept of “Vegan + bacon”.
People often avoid making small positive changes because they get caught up in trying to go all the way. For example, “I could never go vegan. I love bacon too much”.
So then go vegan plus bacon. Or vegetarian plus bacon. Or just switch to oat milk and eat more vegetables. Whatever small change you can make is good
@danirabbit I eat a lot of vegetables because I love vegetables! But I'm still an omnivore (periodically vegan for religious reasons, though)
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I can’t remember where I saw it, but I feel like today is a good time to revisit the concept of “Vegan + bacon”.
People often avoid making small positive changes because they get caught up in trying to go all the way. For example, “I could never go vegan. I love bacon too much”.
So then go vegan plus bacon. Or vegetarian plus bacon. Or just switch to oat milk and eat more vegetables. Whatever small change you can make is good
@danirabbit I used to call myself "semi-veggie" because I wouldn't feel guilty if I had meat once a week. Now I'm more veggie than not.
Absolutism is wrong in politics and diet.
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@FinalGirl @danirabbit Or "ham" reduction, in this case.
@eliocamp @FinalGirl @danirabbit indeed, that's a good reduction 🤪
