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I can’t remember where I saw it, but I feel like today is a good time to revisit the concept of “Vegan + bacon”.

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  • danirabbit@mastodon.onlineD danirabbit@mastodon.online

    I can’t remember where I saw it, but I feel like today is a good time to revisit the concept of “Vegan + bacon”.

    People often avoid making small positive changes because they get caught up in trying to go all the way. For example, “I could never go vegan. I love bacon too much”.

    So then go vegan plus bacon. Or vegetarian plus bacon. Or just switch to oat milk and eat more vegetables. Whatever small change you can make is good

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    #51

    @danirabbit

    You see it a lot with everything. The $solution isn't perfect so it isn't worth doing at all. I'm thinking specifically of renewable resources here. "Solar doesn't cover 100% of our energy needs, so we'll just keep burning gas, and throwing some more coal on the pile".

    A tiny bit better is still better, and it equals a lot when 350 million people make trivial changes. At that scale, it's no longer trivial, and can be further improved over time.

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    • danirabbit@mastodon.onlineD danirabbit@mastodon.online

      I can’t remember where I saw it, but I feel like today is a good time to revisit the concept of “Vegan + bacon”.

      People often avoid making small positive changes because they get caught up in trying to go all the way. For example, “I could never go vegan. I love bacon too much”.

      So then go vegan plus bacon. Or vegetarian plus bacon. Or just switch to oat milk and eat more vegetables. Whatever small change you can make is good

      coldfish@sfba.socialC This user is from outside of this forum
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      #52

      @danirabbit my sister was a "bacon vegetarian" for a long time. Now.... she's back to meat and my wife has gone full-on vegan.

      but, eating "less" meat is still an improvement. I almost never buy red meat anymore, after spending the vast amount of my life eating beef and pork as a requirement for meals.

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      • danirabbit@mastodon.onlineD danirabbit@mastodon.online

        Maybe you can’t buy everything local. What one thing can you start buying local? Can you switch from Starbucks to the local coffee shop? Can you switch from Petco to the local pet feed store? Can you switch from Dominoes to a local pizza place?

        Maybe you can’t completely de-Google or de-Apple or de-Amazon your life. Can you switch one thing? Can you use DuckDuckGo? Move your passwords to Bitwarden? Open a Fastmail account?

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        #53

        @danirabbit this is exactly how to do it. Another thing: Cash.

        It seems crazy, but the reality is that massive credit card companies and banks keep your money outside of your city/town and invest it there.

        I just paid $20 for lunch at my local cafe. I know the guys who work there are getting paid off the books, so they're taking that same cash home and stopping at the bodega for food, and paying in cash, giving their kids allowance in that cash, shopping at the chinatown hardware stores in cash, etc....

        the money gets multiplied and stays out of the hands of big corp. And the reaility is that, no matter how liberal, *ALL* big corporations are bad. ALL of them have a negative effect on your home town. ALL of them.

        Small business + Cash whenever possible.

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        • danirabbit@mastodon.onlineD danirabbit@mastodon.online

          I can’t remember where I saw it, but I feel like today is a good time to revisit the concept of “Vegan + bacon”.

          People often avoid making small positive changes because they get caught up in trying to go all the way. For example, “I could never go vegan. I love bacon too much”.

          So then go vegan plus bacon. Or vegetarian plus bacon. Or just switch to oat milk and eat more vegetables. Whatever small change you can make is good

          tattie@eldritch.cafeT This user is from outside of this forum
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          #54

          @danirabbit I eat meat less frequently than I used to, in smaller portions, and I generally buy it from the farmers' market when I do. I'm not pretending I'm an ethical superstar, but I'm doing what I feel is reasonable without denying myself something I enjoy. (And I actually savour it more for being a smaller part of my diet.)

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          • danirabbit@mastodon.onlineD danirabbit@mastodon.online

            I can’t remember where I saw it, but I feel like today is a good time to revisit the concept of “Vegan + bacon”.

            People often avoid making small positive changes because they get caught up in trying to go all the way. For example, “I could never go vegan. I love bacon too much”.

            So then go vegan plus bacon. Or vegetarian plus bacon. Or just switch to oat milk and eat more vegetables. Whatever small change you can make is good

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            #55

            @danirabbit 100%. I’ve been a committed vegetarian for a long time but when I go home and visit London I always get a Fish and Chips from my favourite place. I don’t feel bad about it because I’ve already put the hours in. I look forward to it.

            And you know what? My non-veggie friends see that and tell me if they can “lapse” now and again they’ll make the switch too. Changing habits is a process, far easier to do at your own pace.

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            • danirabbit@mastodon.onlineD danirabbit@mastodon.online

              I can’t remember where I saw it, but I feel like today is a good time to revisit the concept of “Vegan + bacon”.

              People often avoid making small positive changes because they get caught up in trying to go all the way. For example, “I could never go vegan. I love bacon too much”.

              So then go vegan plus bacon. Or vegetarian plus bacon. Or just switch to oat milk and eat more vegetables. Whatever small change you can make is good

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              #56

              @danirabbit I'm Vegan+

              Vegan + Bacon.

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              • danirabbit@mastodon.onlineD danirabbit@mastodon.online

                I can’t remember where I saw it, but I feel like today is a good time to revisit the concept of “Vegan + bacon”.

                People often avoid making small positive changes because they get caught up in trying to go all the way. For example, “I could never go vegan. I love bacon too much”.

                So then go vegan plus bacon. Or vegetarian plus bacon. Or just switch to oat milk and eat more vegetables. Whatever small change you can make is good

                cstamp@mastodon.socialC This user is from outside of this forum
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                #57

                @danirabbit Elsewhere, a guy was arguing the difference between plant-based vs vegetarian/vegan. You cannot be the latter unless you’re fighting for animal rights!

                People love to put their own labels on others. Having a couple of vegetarian meals a week can make an impact on health and environment.

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                • danirabbit@mastodon.onlineD danirabbit@mastodon.online

                  Maybe you can’t buy everything local. What one thing can you start buying local? Can you switch from Starbucks to the local coffee shop? Can you switch from Petco to the local pet feed store? Can you switch from Dominoes to a local pizza place?

                  Maybe you can’t completely de-Google or de-Apple or de-Amazon your life. Can you switch one thing? Can you use DuckDuckGo? Move your passwords to Bitwarden? Open a Fastmail account?

                  czarbucks@vmst.ioC This user is from outside of this forum
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                  #58

                  @danirabbit

                  These are all really good ideas, for making small, productive changes. Thanks for pointing them out.

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                  • danirabbit@mastodon.onlineD danirabbit@mastodon.online

                    I can’t remember where I saw it, but I feel like today is a good time to revisit the concept of “Vegan + bacon”.

                    People often avoid making small positive changes because they get caught up in trying to go all the way. For example, “I could never go vegan. I love bacon too much”.

                    So then go vegan plus bacon. Or vegetarian plus bacon. Or just switch to oat milk and eat more vegetables. Whatever small change you can make is good

                    sean@mastodon.me.ukS This user is from outside of this forum
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                    #59

                    @danirabbit also it's amazing how people who have no ethical stance like to pick holes in other people's ethical stances.

                    I think it's defensive because if someone else is being moral maybe you should too - but if you can find fault you're off the hook

                    This results in hostility to vegan + bacon

                    Because it's really hard to come up with a sensible argument against being just a bit moral - it's not even that hard to do.

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                    • danirabbit@mastodon.onlineD danirabbit@mastodon.online

                      I can’t remember where I saw it, but I feel like today is a good time to revisit the concept of “Vegan + bacon”.

                      People often avoid making small positive changes because they get caught up in trying to go all the way. For example, “I could never go vegan. I love bacon too much”.

                      So then go vegan plus bacon. Or vegetarian plus bacon. Or just switch to oat milk and eat more vegetables. Whatever small change you can make is good

                      drewtowler@mas.toD This user is from outside of this forum
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                      #60

                      @danirabbit I think I could do "whatever you eat now plus more bacon".

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                      • danirabbit@mastodon.onlineD danirabbit@mastodon.online

                        @Opticacia I don’t know if you know this but bacon is not a vegetable

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                        #61

                        @danirabbit
                        Neither are eggs and milk.

                        Of course, you could stick to strict definitions of vegetarianism or plant-based diets, I don't really see the imperative.

                        I get this is a strange take, but from my perspective vegetarianism isn't so different from 'flexitarianism', in that they both lean on plants heavily but arbitraily include some animal products according to personal preference.

                        But all that aside, veganism isn't (just) a diet and there's no half-measures, you either do it or you don't.

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                        • danirabbit@mastodon.onlineD danirabbit@mastodon.online

                          I can’t remember where I saw it, but I feel like today is a good time to revisit the concept of “Vegan + bacon”.

                          People often avoid making small positive changes because they get caught up in trying to go all the way. For example, “I could never go vegan. I love bacon too much”.

                          So then go vegan plus bacon. Or vegetarian plus bacon. Or just switch to oat milk and eat more vegetables. Whatever small change you can make is good

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                          #62

                          @danirabbit Yeah, people are so black-and-white in their thinking. Including me often, although I fight against it.

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                          • danirabbit@mastodon.onlineD danirabbit@mastodon.online

                            I can’t remember where I saw it, but I feel like today is a good time to revisit the concept of “Vegan + bacon”.

                            People often avoid making small positive changes because they get caught up in trying to go all the way. For example, “I could never go vegan. I love bacon too much”.

                            So then go vegan plus bacon. Or vegetarian plus bacon. Or just switch to oat milk and eat more vegetables. Whatever small change you can make is good

                            jaystephens@mastodon.socialJ This user is from outside of this forum
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                            #63

                            @danirabbit

                            Example from my life:
                            I'm generally pretty cook-from-scratch & environmentally conscious, but right now in this phase of life, using a few of those little instant microwave rice baggies per month makes a huge difference to my ability to navigate disaster capitalism and make a lunch me and the kid both enjoy.
                            In a couple of years I'll go back to using the rice cooker, and I'm just not gonna beat myself up about it too much.

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                            • bob_zim@infosec.exchangeB bob_zim@infosec.exchange

                              @thomholwerda @danirabbit Longer lives and more space to roam actually makes meat *more* tasty, since the muscles get a chance to actually develop. It costs more because the livestock-feed-to-saleable-meat throughput of any given piece of land is much lower. One of the butchers I buy from (Porter Road) specifically pitches this as the reason higher prices are worth paying.

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                              #64

                              @bob_zim @thomholwerda @danirabbit Yeah, silvopasture or other regenerative pasturing isn't just *possible*, it's how nature evolved to keep sequestering carbon into gorgeous, vibrant, three-foot-deep soil for rich grasslands and scrublands. It also makes for happy grazers, often protected from predators, with medical care.

                              It just doesn't produce huge amounts of meat and money per acre when people are habituated to prices that come of thinking of meat as "every meal, what living conditions" and not sacred, rare, festival food.

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                              • pthane@toot.walesP pthane@toot.wales

                                @danirabbit
                                I'm getting there. Still got Android on this phone because it was cheap and there's no AOSP based OS for it. And still watch YouTube (via FreeTube) for entertainment.

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                                #65

                                @pthane @danirabbit Everyone's situation is different, and it will take more time and a more complicated path for some than for others. Also consider that these corporations intentionally work to lock us in to their products, and they make it as difficult as possible to leave. We can't blame ourselves for not being able to cut free all at once.

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                                • danirabbit@mastodon.onlineD danirabbit@mastodon.online

                                  I can’t remember where I saw it, but I feel like today is a good time to revisit the concept of “Vegan + bacon”.

                                  People often avoid making small positive changes because they get caught up in trying to go all the way. For example, “I could never go vegan. I love bacon too much”.

                                  So then go vegan plus bacon. Or vegetarian plus bacon. Or just switch to oat milk and eat more vegetables. Whatever small change you can make is good

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                                  #66

                                  @danirabbit absolutely!

                                  "I have always held firmly to the thought that each one of us can do a little to bring some portion of misery to an end." ~ Albert Schweitzer

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                                  • danirabbit@mastodon.onlineD danirabbit@mastodon.online

                                    I can’t remember where I saw it, but I feel like today is a good time to revisit the concept of “Vegan + bacon”.

                                    People often avoid making small positive changes because they get caught up in trying to go all the way. For example, “I could never go vegan. I love bacon too much”.

                                    So then go vegan plus bacon. Or vegetarian plus bacon. Or just switch to oat milk and eat more vegetables. Whatever small change you can make is good

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                                    #67

                                    @danirabbit
                                    Agree on the bacon. I did start to make my own so I know what's in the cure and use very little pink salt (nitrates) but now I don't like others bacon haha

                                    I usually do a salt/black pepper cure and smoke with apple wood.

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                                    • danirabbit@mastodon.onlineD danirabbit@mastodon.online

                                      I can’t remember where I saw it, but I feel like today is a good time to revisit the concept of “Vegan + bacon”.

                                      People often avoid making small positive changes because they get caught up in trying to go all the way. For example, “I could never go vegan. I love bacon too much”.

                                      So then go vegan plus bacon. Or vegetarian plus bacon. Or just switch to oat milk and eat more vegetables. Whatever small change you can make is good

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                                      #68

                                      @danirabbit what's wrong with saying plant based or flexitarian?

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                                      • danirabbit@mastodon.onlineD danirabbit@mastodon.online

                                        I can’t remember where I saw it, but I feel like today is a good time to revisit the concept of “Vegan + bacon”.

                                        People often avoid making small positive changes because they get caught up in trying to go all the way. For example, “I could never go vegan. I love bacon too much”.

                                        So then go vegan plus bacon. Or vegetarian plus bacon. Or just switch to oat milk and eat more vegetables. Whatever small change you can make is good

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                                        #69

                                        @danirabbit What a wonderful, thoughtful thread! Kudos, everyone.

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                                        • danirabbit@mastodon.onlineD danirabbit@mastodon.online

                                          Maybe you can’t buy everything local. What one thing can you start buying local? Can you switch from Starbucks to the local coffee shop? Can you switch from Petco to the local pet feed store? Can you switch from Dominoes to a local pizza place?

                                          Maybe you can’t completely de-Google or de-Apple or de-Amazon your life. Can you switch one thing? Can you use DuckDuckGo? Move your passwords to Bitwarden? Open a Fastmail account?

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                                          #70

                                          @danirabbit Kagi is the absolute best search engine available, if you're willing to pay a small fee. The idea is that if you pay for your search engine, they will not have to fund it with ads or sponsored content: https://kagi.com

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