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@ainmosni @jwildeboer I was refering it to as "a people project" for economic and demographic reasons.
It started as an economic project, but lead to european peace and interaction.
Thats why i differenced it.
@Dexruus @jwildeboer fair, I would have gotten it better if you used economic project from the start, but I totally agree.
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@xavez @jwildeboer Why on earth am I going to use a web page provided by an organisation that wants to make it so profoundly difficult for me to avoid giving them my data?
@the_wub @jwildeboer sounds like you're already a savvy internet user. 95% of the people on the internet are not. They'll just click accept and move on with their life.
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@morre @jwildeboer Last time I checked; Germany and France werent sitting in trenches or France beeing occupied by Germany again.
Thats quite the inner peace, isnt it?
@Dexruus @jwildeboer I consider Ukraine to be in Europe, too.
Not very peaceful over there right now.
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@the_wub @jwildeboer sounds like you're already a savvy internet user. 95% of the people on the internet are not. They'll just click accept and move on with their life.
@xavez @jwildeboer So wouldn't a simple alternative be to NOT collect this data in the first place?
OR
Make data collection, both "legitimate interest" and data for tracking purposes OFF unless you specifically say you want to be tracked?
A big red button at the top of each website with the text "Please track me around the internet" on it.
So opt-in rather than opt-out.
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@xavez @jwildeboer So wouldn't a simple alternative be to NOT collect this data in the first place?
OR
Make data collection, both "legitimate interest" and data for tracking purposes OFF unless you specifically say you want to be tracked?
A big red button at the top of each website with the text "Please track me around the internet" on it.
So opt-in rather than opt-out.
@the_wub @jwildeboer the only sane path forward is a browser setting with those defaults. Doing this per website makes no sense. That's like having to agree to terms and conditions every time you enter a building.
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@the_wub @jwildeboer the only sane path forward is a browser setting with those defaults. Doing this per website makes no sense. That's like having to agree to terms and conditions every time you enter a building.
@xavez @jwildeboer ...for the first time...
Once your preferences are saved then you don't need to go through the cookie consent rigmarole again.
Except I do as most of my searches are done in private browser windows opened per search.
The "do not track" initiative died a death because it relied on the co-operation of sites that would lose money by not tracking you.
Any browser based solution would still have to be backed by legislation like the cookie-consent laws in the EU.
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@xavez @jwildeboer ...for the first time...
Once your preferences are saved then you don't need to go through the cookie consent rigmarole again.
Except I do as most of my searches are done in private browser windows opened per search.
The "do not track" initiative died a death because it relied on the co-operation of sites that would lose money by not tracking you.
Any browser based solution would still have to be backed by legislation like the cookie-consent laws in the EU.
@the_wub @jwildeboer of course, you solve this with laws and enforcement.
That said, the current implementation does not solve anything. Cookies are not the issue. Reselling data or using it for purposes other than the intended use (e.g. modelling user behaviour but then reselling it to meta so they can profile better to sell ads of which they don't share the revenue with you) is the real problem.
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@the_wub @jwildeboer of course, you solve this with laws and enforcement.
That said, the current implementation does not solve anything. Cookies are not the issue. Reselling data or using it for purposes other than the intended use (e.g. modelling user behaviour but then reselling it to meta so they can profile better to sell ads of which they don't share the revenue with you) is the real problem.
@xavez @jwildeboer While we are on the subject of Meta...
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@Dexruus @jwildeboer I consider Ukraine to be in Europe, too.
Not very peaceful over there right now.
@morre @jwildeboer And i respect that, because IT IS.
No further statement, exept part of Russia is also part of Europe, tho Russia has grown anti european.
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@morre @jwildeboer And i respect that, because IT IS.
No further statement, exept part of Russia is also part of Europe, tho Russia has grown anti european.
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Repost from https://todon.eu/@marcohackney/115992340469511552 with ALT text added. Unified chargers, free roaming, travel, study and work everywhere in the EU, simple bank transfers with SEPA and Wero. EU makes life better.
@jwildeboer I have to disagree with mentioning Wero. Wero uses SEPA instant credit transfer, but it’s a system from the private sector.
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@jwildeboer on top of that there really are legitimate benign reasons to track user behaviour and make improvements to websites and applications, that do require some form of cookies or persistent storage on the user’s device.
It’s too easy to wave the data brokers and tracking flag, because the cynical truth is that you don’t even need cookies to do that part.
@xavez
You can do telemetry completely without tracking cookies / cookie banners. See GoatCounter.It losses some precission in the name of privacy (visits are bucketed by IP address and software identifier into rolling 8 hour intervals), but the resulting data is still very useful for answering “What are my users doing on my website?” (with click paths!), without deanonymizing any individuals.
Cookie banner sell the lie, that you somehow need to keep records on every individual for this. You don’t.
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@jwildeboer Also, regulating banks a lot is right on point.
@Photo55
I sew the last pic before the rest of the post and got confused why there is a but after “regulating banks”. (You almost cannot overregulate banks, they’ll always find another dumb loophole to seep their corrupting powers through.)
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Maybe I should just leave all of this "social" network stuff to those that want to destroy any positive moments and retreat. (I won't. I pity those that seem to be so filled with negativity that there is nothing positive they can ever add here. I will continue to try and hope my mental health won't suffer too much.)
@jwildeboer (2/2) Advice - I think you could use audio chat a bit more with a few here and decide who is "more real" and build on that instead of staying in text land for "social"...
Example chatroom :
https://meet.nadeko.net/chat123123 (no account / just browser needed):You can even change the end of the link to any chatroom name you like.
Happy to chat to you via this easy link - #Jitsi is basically a #Zoom alternative - 3 clicks and in!
1min to start chatting without install or big corporation ! -
(It took less than an hour for the first "Yes, but" folks to show up and accuse me of being ignorant of the EU border policies and how we drown refugees in the mediterranean. Thank you for giving me that short moment of peace. Everything I have done and do for refugees is irrelevant to you because you just want to make your point. So. Welcome to my blocklist.)
@jwildeboer Something is very telling from your 2 replies / comments to yourself.
While it's not "all your fault" or even 1 person's fault, the word "social" you added is in itself a bit of a clue to the fallacy (we're doing one-way mostly and in text format - all highly stripped of human voice / personality etc)
So while it's not great to get comments like you mention it is somewhat of a compliment to be read at least and human in this way to get such negative / weird things when popular.
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@jwildeboer DONT EVER FORGET; EUROPE HAS HAD ITS LONGEST PEACETIME SINCE EVER.
The EU isnt only a people project, its a peace project.
@Dexruus @jwildeboer
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@krist @budududuroiu @jwildeboer i don't see how the statement made by budududuroiu is misleading then
@mfru @budududuroiu @jwildeboer oh, it is not misleading. I just don't really agree with it...
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@mfru @budududuroiu @jwildeboer oh, it is not misleading. I just don't really agree with it...
@krist @mfru @jwildeboer that's fair
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Repost from https://todon.eu/@marcohackney/115992340469511552 with ALT text added. Unified chargers, free roaming, travel, study and work everywhere in the EU, simple bank transfers with SEPA and Wero. EU makes life better.
@jwildeboer Thanks for the ALT text.
Maybe we can encourage the EU Commission account over here and they can ALT text stuff for easier sharing.
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@ahltorp @jwildeboer which is nice but not hugely common and probably not something to base a whole regulation around
@wiredfire @ahltorp @jwildeboer I disagree and wish you hadn't shown up here to piss on something I and most people I know consider a simple tangible benefit of EU democracy in action.
We know perfectly well the propensity of monopoly and oligarchic vendors to create unnecessarily proprietary chargers and to sell them for extortionate prices and generating future e-waste.
Half a billion EU citizens have billions of old chargers. Too many already.
