We are out here acting like corporations with a profit motive are going to make any effort to protect the future of mankind.

@selzero @TheBreadmonkey I *did* just get a new container of yogurt that was in a similar container— but without the “I am made of paper” silliness.

It was really nice— the paper outside comes off easily and can be recycled and then the plastic inside is much thinner and can also be recycled.

@selzero what's insane is we DID have paper containers years ago. Milk Cartons used to come with wax lining. They switched to plastics in the early 80s because it was more economic. So... paper "bottles" are a thing, it's just that we as a society have become too stupid to remember how we did it.

So when do we start just blowing things up and shooting shit down like Robocop Detroit.

Because we are already at the point where our corps are at Robocop levels of scummy.

@selzero a paper bottle would plainly not work. at most it can be reinforcement.

@selzero surely describing that as a paper bottle when it is actually plastic is straight up fraud?

@GabeMoralesVR @selzero Milk and some juices still come in paper containers here (Slovenia), though I think the inside is lined with plastic.

@jernej__s @selzero Yeah thats what I mean. They still sell cardboard cartons here too (my almond milk right now is in one) but they all use plastic liners. everything uses plastic. Even aluminum cans, they have plastic liners now too:

@elexia @selzero It can be done, depending what's to be in it. They don't mean literally paper like sheets of paper, but the same material.

It can be done, but this is not it.

@GabeMoralesVR @jernej__s @selzero There may be some aluminum cans with plastic, but most are still metal. I tend to crush all mine down and believe me, those are metal bits trying to cut me on all the cans I use...

I'm pretty sure any metal cans using plastic are actually the odd ones out rather than the norm.

Not that metal cans are a whole lot better... Aluminum doesn't degrade into the environment very fast either (and isn't so great when it does I'm sure.)

@nazokiyoubinbou @jernej__s @selzero No, not some, all. They still have metal so yes, you'll have metal bits trying to cut you. But one side of them is coated with a thin, almost imperceptible layer of plastic. perhaps my image didn't show well enough how thin this plastic is. You can't and won't notice it unless you chemically peel the aluminum off, there's no way to separate it and see it without doing so. This has been the canning process world-wide for the last 30 years.

@nazokiyoubinbou @jernej__s @selzero

https://www.noplasticnoproblem.com/blog/plastic-linings-in-canned-foods-and-drinks-leach-microplastics

"Nearly all aluminum and tin cans, such as soda cans, beer cans, and canned foods have plastic-based liners to increase shelf life and prevent corrosion."

@nazokiyoubinbou @jernej__s @selzero Don't believe me? Test your cans yourself, this is a simple gradeschool project, as in I literally did this in the 2nd grade:

https://stevespangler.com/experiments/can-ripper/

It's cheap, simple, and easy to do. Yes, all those metal can you think are pure metal have plastic in them, unless you somehow found some extremely odd canning location that doesn't export world-wide.

@GabeMoralesVR @jernej__s @selzero I'll take your word for it, but I don't think a test that would burn away any existing plastic along with other things is a good test to see if plastic is there since you're going to get a sludge out either way since it's not that selective. (The link you posted is backwards. It talks about getting rid of plastic and copper rather than getting rid of aluminum.)

There's a lot of talk that consuming aluminum isn't so great either, so I don't know where I stand

@nazokiyoubinbou @jernej__s @selzero ...wrong. JFC this is an easily verifiable experiment. How about you do goddamn research instead of telling me what your gut feels? JFC you're embarrassing.

@elexia @selzero The bottle could be bioplastic produced from cellulose from paper. I could definitely see marketing simplifying “bottle made of a paper-derived product” to “bottle made of paper”.

Like how clothing marketed as “bamboo fiber” is actually rayon/viscose produced from bamboo-derived cellulose.

@bob_zim @selzero I somehow doubt it. is that process as toxic as making viscose with conventional methods?

@fluffy @stefan @selzero AI, short for "Actually Indian"

@selzero

No it wasn’t…?

@selzero I wouldn’t be taking it seriously when it has Roman measurements on it ‍️

@elexia @selzero Long time ago in the past century we then kids used paper cups (real tight carton, zero plastic) to boil water and tea in them on the small bonfire. Cups were attached to some freshly found stick by two pieces of thread to allow us keep their bottoms precisely at the right flame. 40 such cups weighted less than hefty pot you would use otherwise for your two day mountain trip.