One to report and block.
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@tantramar @alan @astronomerritt ha! I’ll remember that.
@Emmacox @alan @astronomerritt It’s not as if he’d’ve paid it, but his hesitation in responding made it clear he knew he’d fucked up. And I’d been paid that much for commissioned QuickTime VR shots, so I wasn’t just pulling a number out of thin air, either.
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@Emmacox @tantramar @astronomerritt I had someone say "your watermark makes the image ugly." I responded "not so ugly that you can't figure it out. Don't like the watermark? Buy the fucking image."
Seriously, the "hey, make it easier for me to steal your work" approach does not get a kind response.
@alan @Emmacox @astronomerritt That’s amazing.
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@Emmacox @tantramar @astronomerritt I had someone say "your watermark makes the image ugly." I responded "not so ugly that you can't figure it out. Don't like the watermark? Buy the fucking image."
Seriously, the "hey, make it easier for me to steal your work" approach does not get a kind response.
@alan @Emmacox @astronomerritt I’d once done a watercolour painting of a large, stately home near where my parents lived. One day, at an art show where I had a vendor display, a guy who’d been admiring it from a distance approached. It was his house in the painting, but the stately elms on either side of it had been cut down since I’d painted it. But he didn’t want to pay $200 (a steal). Would I come down? No. Did I paint it from a photo? Yes, one I took. Would I sell him the photo? Again, no. Would I loan him the negative? Fuck, no. At that point, having insulted me, not for $500. He went away big mad.
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@alan @Emmacox @astronomerritt I’d once done a watercolour painting of a large, stately home near where my parents lived. One day, at an art show where I had a vendor display, a guy who’d been admiring it from a distance approached. It was his house in the painting, but the stately elms on either side of it had been cut down since I’d painted it. But he didn’t want to pay $200 (a steal). Would I come down? No. Did I paint it from a photo? Yes, one I took. Would I sell him the photo? Again, no. Would I loan him the negative? Fuck, no. At that point, having insulted me, not for $500. He went away big mad.
@tantramar @Emmacox @astronomerritt This is where salesmanship comes in. If he had a stately house, it wasn't about the money, it was about perceived value, not of the art so much, but of you as an artist. I'd be "I know it might seem like a lot now, but just think of how many times you'll appreciate this work over the years. $200 probably comes out to less than a cent every time it gives you a good feeling." This puts the value back on the work itself.
Another one I tell painters to use when someone says "how long did it take you to paint this?" is to respond with their current age in years. One's art is the sum of their experiences, not the time it takes to put them to canvas.
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@tantramar @Emmacox @astronomerritt This is where salesmanship comes in. If he had a stately house, it wasn't about the money, it was about perceived value, not of the art so much, but of you as an artist. I'd be "I know it might seem like a lot now, but just think of how many times you'll appreciate this work over the years. $200 probably comes out to less than a cent every time it gives you a good feeling." This puts the value back on the work itself.
Another one I tell painters to use when someone says "how long did it take you to paint this?" is to respond with their current age in years. One's art is the sum of their experiences, not the time it takes to put them to canvas.
@alan @Emmacox @astronomerritt The trouble is that he’d never have valued it. People don’t value things if they underpay for them or have to be talked into buying them.
“Dammit, Jim; I’m an artist not a salesman”. Lame? Maybe. Every time he tried to reduce my price I should’ve doubled it. He was, after all, showing me how much he’d regretted not having photographed his home with those trees before cutting them.
I’ve learned a thing or two about sales having been a self-employed designer for 30 years: I never try to talk anyone into anything they don’t want.
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@alan @Emmacox @astronomerritt The trouble is that he’d never have valued it. People don’t value things if they underpay for them or have to be talked into buying them.
“Dammit, Jim; I’m an artist not a salesman”. Lame? Maybe. Every time he tried to reduce my price I should’ve doubled it. He was, after all, showing me how much he’d regretted not having photographed his home with those trees before cutting them.
I’ve learned a thing or two about sales having been a self-employed designer for 30 years: I never try to talk anyone into anything they don’t want.
@tantramar @Emmacox @astronomerritt Ah but he did want it.
And yeah I've done that:
A: How much?
Me: $200
A: Will you take $150?
Me: No, but I will take $250.
A: Huh? How about $175?
Me: $300 sounds good.
A: How come your price keeps going up, that's not how this works!
Me: it reflects the cost of dealing with people like you, wasting my valuable time. Now $400.
A: Fuck you!
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@tantramar @Emmacox @astronomerritt Ah but he did want it.
And yeah I've done that:
A: How much?
Me: $200
A: Will you take $150?
Me: No, but I will take $250.
A: Huh? How about $175?
Me: $300 sounds good.
A: How come your price keeps going up, that's not how this works!
Me: it reflects the cost of dealing with people like you, wasting my valuable time. Now $400.
A: Fuck you!
Me: have the day you so richly deserve.@alan @Emmacox @astronomerritt I don’t believe he wanted the painting. He wanted a record of how his property looked with those trees. A photo would’ve satisfied him. He was not an art lover on any level. He felt he had a right to the image; that somehow I owed it to him because of his loss of the trees. People can be amazingly selfish.
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@alan @Emmacox @astronomerritt I don’t believe he wanted the painting. He wanted a record of how his property looked with those trees. A photo would’ve satisfied him. He was not an art lover on any level. He felt he had a right to the image; that somehow I owed it to him because of his loss of the trees. People can be amazingly selfish.
@tantramar @Emmacox @astronomerritt True dat. But then again, the photo is evidence of your process, which will be of great interest when you're a world-famous artist featured at the Louvre, so a copy of that photo is available for the low-low discount price of $2000.
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@tantramar @Emmacox @astronomerritt True dat. But then again, the photo is evidence of your process, which will be of great interest when you're a world-famous artist featured at the Louvre, so a copy of that photo is available for the low-low discount price of $2000.
@alan @Emmacox @astronomerritt Hahaha. Amazingly, I’ve known a few artists who think they’ll be in The Louvre one day.
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@alan @Emmacox @astronomerritt Hahaha. Amazingly, I’ve known a few artists who think they’ll be in The Louvre one day.
@tantramar @Emmacox @astronomerritt me too. If they're really irritating my response is "yeah, as a visitor."
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One to report and block. He’s stolen my photo and posted it to his Facebook account without my permission or crediting me. I’ve reported him to his server and reported him to Facebook.
@Emmacox @Maker_of_Things wow, so blatant!
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@tantramar @astronomerritt I wonder if he does go about in real life and snatches peoples wallets and car keys, exclaiming, ‘Stealing this!’
@Emmacox The nearly top post on his profile is a solid number, too.
"royally confused by some poster behavior here. […] I know that most work is worthless if not shared. […] another poster declared something I posted 'disgusting behavior, immediate block' for the life of me, I have no idea why or what. […]"
Funny. Fedi in general is *teeming* with creatives of all kinds in all sorts of areas, and he's wondering why uncredited posting of others' stuff is frowned on?
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@Emmacox The nearly top post on his profile is a solid number, too.
"royally confused by some poster behavior here. […] I know that most work is worthless if not shared. […] another poster declared something I posted 'disgusting behavior, immediate block' for the life of me, I have no idea why or what. […]"
Funny. Fedi in general is *teeming* with creatives of all kinds in all sorts of areas, and he's wondering why uncredited posting of others' stuff is frowned on?
@mkj @tantramar @astronomerritt he’s an idiot. I blocked him.
I expect this sort of behaviour on crappy SM, but not here. It puts me off sharing work, especially on the hashtags.
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@Emmacox The nearly top post on his profile is a solid number, too.
"royally confused by some poster behavior here. […] I know that most work is worthless if not shared. […] another poster declared something I posted 'disgusting behavior, immediate block' for the life of me, I have no idea why or what. […]"
Funny. Fedi in general is *teeming* with creatives of all kinds in all sorts of areas, and he's wondering why uncredited posting of others' stuff is frowned on?
@mkj @Emmacox @tantramar he’s talking about me! how flattering
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@Emmacox @Maker_of_Things wow, so blatant!
@helenclayton @Maker_of_Things I know!
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@mkj @Emmacox @tantramar he’s talking about me! how flattering
@astronomerritt @mkj @tantramar
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@mkj @tantramar @astronomerritt he’s an idiot. I blocked him.
I expect this sort of behaviour on crappy SM, but not here. It puts me off sharing work, especially on the hashtags.
@Emmacox Oh, I didn't mean to argue that you shouldn't have; quite the opposite, really. Apologies if what I wrote came across wrong!
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@tantramar @Emmacox @astronomerritt me too. If they're really irritating my response is "yeah, as a visitor."
@alan @tantramar @astronomerritt thank you for the insightful conversation. You’re right about factoring age into the prize rather than time spent on the canvas. I had not thought of it in this way before.
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