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I'm so old I remember when Jeff #Bezos seemed like sort of a good guy who chose books as the focus of his clever new internet store.

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  • gleick@mas.toG gleick@mas.to

    I'm so old I remember when Jeff #Bezos seemed like sort of a good guy who chose books as the focus of his clever new internet store.

    Now he will always be remembered as the toady who paid tens of millions in tribute to the Trumps while ruthlessly destroying one of history's great newspapers.

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    #21

    @gleick

    The Bill Gates reality-distortion field is a persistent one, his PR people are very good at what they do.

    I keep getting warm fuzzies about him every now and again. He keeps recreating himself, like a rock-star re-styling.

    Then a memory or new fact drops, and I remember he's a greedy, ruthless, devious, self-serving thug.

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    • gleick@mas.toG gleick@mas.to

      @yacc143 I didn’t say he was. We all know what Amazon did and what it became. What I said was that—unlike you, apparently—I’m old enough to remember when that hadn’t happened yet. And didn’t have to happen.

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      #22

      @yacc143 @gleick I even remember when they had great customer service! I naively thought that might persist.

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      • lritter@mastodon.gamedev.placeL lritter@mastodon.gamedev.place

        @yacc143 @gleick indeed. the way germans learned about bezos was that it was his fault all small book stores had to close.

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        #23

        @lritter @gleick Well, it was more or less inevitable.

        The fact that he did ugly things with accounting, like literally making sure for decades to run at zero profits while making sure to grow as fast as possible, is another thing. Strictly speaking, legal, but only possible because he managed to sell it to the investors.

        But yes, it killed the competition.

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        • chardlee@dads.coolC chardlee@dads.cool

          @yacc143 @gleick I even remember when they had great customer service! I naively thought that might persist.

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          #24

          @chardlee @gleick Only till the competition was dead.

          As a cynic, capitalism was much nicer to the peons until about the time the USSR collapsed.

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          • yacc143@mastodon.socialY yacc143@mastodon.social

            @gleick
            Sorry, as an European he never was a good guy.

            Amazon was convenient and still is, for buying foreign language books, but convenience does not make it ethical.

            And me personal I was always sceptical of concentration benefits. As these bluntly lead to monopoly and that leads to extortion games to the disadvantage of the consumers, that's a given natural law, like apples fall from trees downwards.

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            #25

            @yacc143 @gleick

            That came later though.

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            • gleick@mas.toG gleick@mas.to

              I'm so old I remember when Jeff #Bezos seemed like sort of a good guy who chose books as the focus of his clever new internet store.

              Now he will always be remembered as the toady who paid tens of millions in tribute to the Trumps while ruthlessly destroying one of history's great newspapers.

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              #26

              @gleick

              Well, James, judging from many comments, no one is old enough to remember the more innocent days.
              As my Nice Ex, very geeky, remembers when PayPal seemed such a new, sweet initiative.

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              • megatronicthronbanks@mastodon.socialM megatronicthronbanks@mastodon.social

                @gleick

                The Bill Gates reality-distortion field is a persistent one, his PR people are very good at what they do.

                I keep getting warm fuzzies about him every now and again. He keeps recreating himself, like a rock-star re-styling.

                Then a memory or new fact drops, and I remember he's a greedy, ruthless, devious, self-serving thug.

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                #27

                @megatronicthronbanks @gleick Back in the last century there was a little documentary comparing him to STeve JObs and ... they were both manipulative greedy thiieves but Steve Jobs was a little crazier with wanting to take over the world.
                The damage he's done to education is the part I feel directly.

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                • gleick@mas.toG gleick@mas.to

                  I'm so old I remember when Jeff #Bezos seemed like sort of a good guy who chose books as the focus of his clever new internet store.

                  Now he will always be remembered as the toady who paid tens of millions in tribute to the Trumps while ruthlessly destroying one of history's great newspapers.

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                  #28

                  @gleick I started an online retail venture at about the same time as Bezos -- it wasn't hard to see the possibilities. (Unfortunately, I had no money and no investors; writing all the code yourself only goes so far.)

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                  • gleick@mas.toG gleick@mas.to

                    I'm so old I remember when Jeff #Bezos seemed like sort of a good guy who chose books as the focus of his clever new internet store.

                    Now he will always be remembered as the toady who paid tens of millions in tribute to the Trumps while ruthlessly destroying one of history's great newspapers.

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                    #29

                    @gleick I'm so old I remember when Bill Gates... oh, no, he was always a complete and utter c**t, right from the start.

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                    • gleick@mas.toG gleick@mas.to

                      I'm so old I remember when Jeff #Bezos seemed like sort of a good guy who chose books as the focus of his clever new internet store.

                      Now he will always be remembered as the toady who paid tens of millions in tribute to the Trumps while ruthlessly destroying one of history's great newspapers.

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                      #30

                      @gleick Imagine unironically calling an imperialist rag like WaPo one of history's "greatest" newspapers. 💀

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                      • yacc143@mastodon.socialY yacc143@mastodon.social

                        @chardlee @gleick Only till the competition was dead.

                        As a cynic, capitalism was much nicer to the peons until about the time the USSR collapsed.

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                        #31

                        @yacc143 @chardlee @gleick Yeah, that was kinda the whole point: be nice to the proles or we'll Romanov the upper class.

                        And we fell for it hook, line, and sinker.

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                        • blueorchestra@mastodon.socialB blueorchestra@mastodon.social

                          @gleick Imagine unironically calling an imperialist rag like WaPo one of history's "greatest" newspapers. 💀

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                          #32

                          @blueorchestra It was. I gather that you have a short time horizon and don’t know much about, well, anything really.

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                          • gleick@mas.toG gleick@mas.to

                            I'm so old I remember when Jeff #Bezos seemed like sort of a good guy who chose books as the focus of his clever new internet store.

                            Now he will always be remembered as the toady who paid tens of millions in tribute to the Trumps while ruthlessly destroying one of history's great newspapers.

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                            #33

                            @gleick I remember when Amazon and Chapters launched, and one of the founders (I'm forgetting which) talked openly about how the publishing industry and the system of book store returns ran more or less on an honour system and was ripe for exploitation.

                            They were never good guys.

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                            • blueorchestra@mastodon.socialB blueorchestra@mastodon.social

                              @gleick Imagine unironically calling an imperialist rag like WaPo one of history's "greatest" newspapers. 💀

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                              #34

                              @blueorchestra @gleick

                              I mean, it was?

                              You could make the argument that ALL legacy news media was and is imperialist, but not the WaPo more specifically and individually.

                              "1973 Pulitzer Prizes:
                              Journalism - Public Service
                              The Washington Post
                              For its investigation of the Watergate case
                              Woodward and Bernstein"

                              https://www.pulitzer.org/winners/washington-post

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                              • gleick@mas.toG gleick@mas.to

                                I'm so old I remember when Jeff #Bezos seemed like sort of a good guy who chose books as the focus of his clever new internet store.

                                Now he will always be remembered as the toady who paid tens of millions in tribute to the Trumps while ruthlessly destroying one of history's great newspapers.

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