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My comments are littered with folks asking "why is it a problem if your blocklist is public on Bluesky?"

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  • niko@social.nikopoikulainen.fiN niko@social.nikopoikulainen.fi

    @vkc And if it's public, it's not handled with care.

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    #21

    @niko @vkc I mean...

    It's not.

    What you post to your PDS is public. The updates to it go to the "firehose", which is this public stream of updates. App views then take that information and filter it and crap. There's some other stuff going on here but this is pretty much it.

    So your block list is a request to these views to not show your public posts to certain people.

    If you are expecting more than that you are quite mistaken.

    Don't put sensitive info on social media.

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    • vkc@linuxmom.netV vkc@linuxmom.net

      My comments are littered with folks asking "why is it a problem if your blocklist is public on Bluesky?"

      I'm glad you asked.

      "Who you block" is a reasonable indicator of your personal alignments. If you block TERFs, you're likely trans-friendly, if not trans yourself. If you block white supremacists, you're likely in support of multiculturalism.

      If you block government entities, well, you know how this goes.

      Do I trust Bluesky to handle that information with care? Hell no.

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      #22

      @vkc As a European I would 'wear' such public blocks as a badge of honour, but I am not on bluesky.

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      • vkc@linuxmom.netV vkc@linuxmom.net

        My comments are littered with folks asking "why is it a problem if your blocklist is public on Bluesky?"

        I'm glad you asked.

        "Who you block" is a reasonable indicator of your personal alignments. If you block TERFs, you're likely trans-friendly, if not trans yourself. If you block white supremacists, you're likely in support of multiculturalism.

        If you block government entities, well, you know how this goes.

        Do I trust Bluesky to handle that information with care? Hell no.

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        #23

        @vkc When you say “do I trust” I’m pretty sure they’re public; they’re aggregated on https://clearsky.app/.

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        • crazyeddie@mastodon.socialC crazyeddie@mastodon.social

          @niko @vkc I mean...

          It's not.

          What you post to your PDS is public. The updates to it go to the "firehose", which is this public stream of updates. App views then take that information and filter it and crap. There's some other stuff going on here but this is pretty much it.

          So your block list is a request to these views to not show your public posts to certain people.

          If you are expecting more than that you are quite mistaken.

          Don't put sensitive info on social media.

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          #24

          @crazyeddie @vkc Even a block list can tell a lot. It's not just about what you don't want others to see, but also what you don't want to see yourself.

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          • adamshostack@infosec.exchangeA adamshostack@infosec.exchange

            @vkc When you say “do I trust” I’m pretty sure they’re public; they’re aggregated on https://clearsky.app/.

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            #25

            @adamshostack it is public, I said that in the first sentence of my post!

            The point I'm making is that I could imagine Bluesky cooperating with authorities or advertisers in providing additional metadata well beyond the public data, and this could be used for nefarious purposes.

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            • niko@social.nikopoikulainen.fiN niko@social.nikopoikulainen.fi

              @crazyeddie @vkc Even a block list can tell a lot. It's not just about what you don't want others to see, but also what you don't want to see yourself.

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              #26

              @niko @vkc If you just don't want to see it then that's what mute is for. It's possible to provide that feature without it being public and it apparently does that in bluesky.

              Mastodon does the very same thing. Mute is just for you. Block also informs the user and won't let them see what you post. This is at least partially public because servers have to know to do this for you. If you are on an openly federating server then you are probably exposed here.

              Were you properly informed?

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              • vkc@linuxmom.netV vkc@linuxmom.net

                My comments are littered with folks asking "why is it a problem if your blocklist is public on Bluesky?"

                I'm glad you asked.

                "Who you block" is a reasonable indicator of your personal alignments. If you block TERFs, you're likely trans-friendly, if not trans yourself. If you block white supremacists, you're likely in support of multiculturalism.

                If you block government entities, well, you know how this goes.

                Do I trust Bluesky to handle that information with care? Hell no.

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                #27
                I guess people who do not understand this are very lucky to live in an established law-abiding democracy where they do not even know what happens to those who do not behave as they "should".
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                • crazyeddie@mastodon.socialC crazyeddie@mastodon.social

                  @niko @vkc If you just don't want to see it then that's what mute is for. It's possible to provide that feature without it being public and it apparently does that in bluesky.

                  Mastodon does the very same thing. Mute is just for you. Block also informs the user and won't let them see what you post. This is at least partially public because servers have to know to do this for you. If you are on an openly federating server then you are probably exposed here.

                  Were you properly informed?

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                  #28

                  @crazyeddie @niko a big difference here is that on Fedi, the block informs *your server* and *the other server*, but on Bluesky, it informs *everyone* because it's centralized.

                  An end user has to be pretty smart to exploit that via Mastodon, and it'll be incomplete because of federation/defederation. On Bluesky, it's trivial and complete.

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                  • crazyeddie@mastodon.socialC crazyeddie@mastodon.social

                    @niko @vkc If you just don't want to see it then that's what mute is for. It's possible to provide that feature without it being public and it apparently does that in bluesky.

                    Mastodon does the very same thing. Mute is just for you. Block also informs the user and won't let them see what you post. This is at least partially public because servers have to know to do this for you. If you are on an openly federating server then you are probably exposed here.

                    Were you properly informed?

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                    #29

                    @crazyeddie @vkc I didn't know that, but makes sense. Nice little OSINT trick! To me, it doesn't matter as much it probably does to someone else. I guess I've been lucky (or just privileged).

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                    • vkc@linuxmom.netV vkc@linuxmom.net

                      My comments are littered with folks asking "why is it a problem if your blocklist is public on Bluesky?"

                      I'm glad you asked.

                      "Who you block" is a reasonable indicator of your personal alignments. If you block TERFs, you're likely trans-friendly, if not trans yourself. If you block white supremacists, you're likely in support of multiculturalism.

                      If you block government entities, well, you know how this goes.

                      Do I trust Bluesky to handle that information with care? Hell no.

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                      #30

                      @vkc

                      Is there a collection of national rules on this topic? Are servers hosted in some states more protected than others?

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