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  • montgomerygator@fouroclockfarms.clubM montgomerygator@fouroclockfarms.club

    @funbaker @babe I mean, I use Manjaro lol. I'm just pointing out a real issue.

    If it takes me, a Linux user since 2007 hours to figure out how to get my printer to work, what luck will someone who doesn't know what CUPS or PostScript drivers are do it?

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    #4

    @MontgomeryGator @funbaker @babe somebody said "printer" ? I regularly get requests from neighbours to help them to rein in their printers, and no, they run Windows or macOS, where it's all "just works (tm)".
    Once a wasted a couple of hours, to no avail, on one such case.

    My dear better half, a professor of CS in Oxford, asks me to print stuff for her on a regular basis. She does theory, uses a Windows machine. I do it from Linux for her, cause it works much better (or if it doesn't then at least I can see what's wrong).

    Don't get me started on proprietary vs free software for printing. Printers nowadays are full of sh*t, don't come with right drivers, etc. Once I went as far as submitting a bug report to Xerox and to Google to enable printing on a Xerox printer from a Chromebook. I told them what file they have to put and where. Xerox never replied. Google replied they have a license problem to add this file to their driver. Screw the user, they won't move a finger...

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    • thegreatllama@kolektiva.socialT This user is from outside of this forum
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      #5

      @babe
      I LOVE the idea of open source software, but if it doesn't work well, what the hell is the point?

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      • teslawf@mamot.frT This user is from outside of this forum
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        #6

        @babe @TheGreatLlama you feel superior. That’s the point.

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        • babe@glitterkitten.co.ukB babe@glitterkitten.co.uk

          The fedi experience

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          #7

          @babe that and intrusive hedgehogs 😅😍 (rats, corvids, other nerd-befriending animals)

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          • thegreatllama@kolektiva.socialT This user is from outside of this forum
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            #8

            @teslawf @babe
            Lol, I must not need the help. 😆

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            • babe@glitterkitten.co.ukB babe@glitterkitten.co.uk

              The fedi experience

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              #9

              @babe

              😅 You're not wrong lol

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              • rudiev@dmv.communityR This user is from outside of this forum
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                #10

                @babe LOL, yes this and "You know you could be using Linux which is a much more secure and stable operating system..."

                Yeah no, I really don't want to use something that I'd need a dictionary-sized manual to learn how to use

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                • babe@glitterkitten.co.ukB babe@glitterkitten.co.uk

                  The fedi experience

                  andrej@trees.socialA This user is from outside of this forum
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                  #11

                  @babe I use Arch, btw...

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                  • shadowinthevoid@topspicy.socialS This user is from outside of this forum
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                    #12

                    @babe One of the highest prases you can give software is that "it just works" and I don't think people get that enough

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                    • shadowinthevoid@topspicy.socialS shadowinthevoid@topspicy.social

                      @babe One of the highest prases you can give software is that "it just works" and I don't think people get that enough

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                      #13

                      @ShadowInTheVoid @babe pretty sure that's the incantation to summon the spirit of Todd Howard

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                      • shadowinthevoid@topspicy.socialS This user is from outside of this forum
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                        #14

                        @OctaviaConAmore @babe Ewwww
                        I did mean actually just works, not Bethesda "just works" ie doesn't work

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                        • shadowinthevoid@topspicy.socialS shadowinthevoid@topspicy.social

                          @OctaviaConAmore @babe Ewwww
                          I did mean actually just works, not Bethesda "just works" ie doesn't work

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                          #15

                          @ShadowInTheVoid @babe aaah, common mistake, you've just got to include "actually" in the incantation, then otherwise, you'll get random crashes, texture glitching, and mannikins head-tracking you through the room

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                          • babe@glitterkitten.co.ukB babe@glitterkitten.co.uk

                            The fedi experience

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                            #16

                            @babe I used to be like that in the mid-late 90s, because I was a Mac zealot. And then I became a Linux *and* Mac zealot. And then I accidentally became an OSS maintainer.

                            Now I'm none of those things.

                            Over time I've become painfully aware that what works for me ain't for everyone, that nobody really cares about what works for me if it doesn't for them, so now neither do I. Someone wants to use IPX networking, or an ancient version of Solaris on hardware that keeps the house warm? Go for it!

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                            • babe@glitterkitten.co.ukB babe@glitterkitten.co.uk

                              The fedi experience

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                              #17

                              @babe why don't you go back in time and develop entirely different habits like any other time traveler

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                              • shadowinthevoid@topspicy.socialS shadowinthevoid@topspicy.social

                                @babe One of the highest prases you can give software is that "it just works" and I don't think people get that enough

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                                #18

                                @ShadowInTheVoid @babe I was recently able to convince a friend to try Linux Cinnamon Mint by basically saying that, after she had about reached a breaking point with Microsoft updates messing with her computer working right, especially after I said that when I first switched to Linux that I kept dual booting for a few weeks and then just stopped booting into Windows and I don’t miss it

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                                  #19

                                  @MontgomeryGator @babe That sounds about right.

                                  A problem for FOSS development is a similar hollowing out of the middle: as I recall in the 90s, a lot of software was developed and somewhat supported by universities and government research bodies, with limited but not insignificant resources. Now, FOSS is dominated by the same rapacious corps we complain about all the time, or else by harried volunteers, often in their downtime from working for those corps.

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                                  • babe@glitterkitten.co.ukB babe@glitterkitten.co.uk

                                    Some people just want the software to work and do what's expected of it without some massive learning curve, submitting 20 feature requests to 8 different projects in the hope one will be accepted, or changing their entire operating system, and that's absolutely fine.

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                                    #20

                                    @babe

                                    Some people just want to travel by plane or to use their SUV...

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                                    • thegreatllama@kolektiva.socialT thegreatllama@kolektiva.social

                                      @babe
                                      I LOVE the idea of open source software, but if it doesn't work well, what the hell is the point?

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                                      #21

                                      @TheGreatLlama

                                      The point is that it can bettered.
                                      But that can happen only if enough people snap out of magical thinking and sense of entitlement.

                                      @babe

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                                      • babe@glitterkitten.co.ukB babe@glitterkitten.co.uk

                                        The fedi experience

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                                        #22

                                        @babe every average https://replyguy.social/ user

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                                        • isocat@tiggi.esI This user is from outside of this forum
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                                          #23

                                          @MontgomeryGator @babe Yup, this. A big bunch of years ago when my StinkPad all but quit working, I was persuaded to try Linux. Mandrake, it was. Horrible experience: read the FAQs, find the RPMs, try the things, say the prayers, still be stuck. Post a cogent, succinct request for help in the right sections of the relevant forums, get nothing but "LOL, if that's the kind of question you have to ask, just go back to your Windoze crib, luser" types of replies.

                                          All these years later, I've still not tried Linux again. MacOS is enshittifying out loud, and there's no shortage of smug-forming emissions in the Applesphere, but most stuff still mostly works most of the time, and helpful help is mostly available.

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