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  • vkc@linuxmom.netV vkc@linuxmom.net

    The way the article is written. The way the comments talk about it.

    Why do people make it sound like GNOME is some sort of secret cabal of Linux haters?

    It's a freaking desktop environment, they have every right to build it however they want, and you have every right to use something different. There's zero reason to get emotionally charged about it.

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    #82

    @vkc totally agree, i usually listen this type of hate from Linux desktop gatekeepers. Looks like a sect

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    • vkc@linuxmom.netV vkc@linuxmom.net

      Hot take: good riddance. I dislike the middle click thing. Trips me up all the time as someone who accidentally clicks it when scrolling.

      I think the right move is to make this (undoubtedly useful to some) behavior opt-in, not opt-out.

      A lot of the gripes I see are just people being mad because GNOME makes choices they don't like. I don't understand why people write like this about GNOME, if you don't like it don't use it, your emotions make you look petty, etc etc.

      https://www.theregister.com/2026/01/07/gnome_middle_click_paste/

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      #83

      @vkc Oh ffs no! Middle click under X has never meant "Paste". It has always meant "Insert the Primary Selection here". Any change to this will break my workflow. For those of you who, for youth or for newness, have no idea what I'm talking about, this is a good write up: https://www.jwz.org/doc/x-cut-and-paste.html

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      • vkc@linuxmom.netV vkc@linuxmom.net

        Hot take: good riddance. I dislike the middle click thing. Trips me up all the time as someone who accidentally clicks it when scrolling.

        I think the right move is to make this (undoubtedly useful to some) behavior opt-in, not opt-out.

        A lot of the gripes I see are just people being mad because GNOME makes choices they don't like. I don't understand why people write like this about GNOME, if you don't like it don't use it, your emotions make you look petty, etc etc.

        https://www.theregister.com/2026/01/07/gnome_middle_click_paste/

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        #84
        They really said "I implore the GNOME team to spend a day using Windows with just your keyboard, it's useful" about them removing a feature from the mouse on Linux?
        I get that other tools can have some useful features, but... I don't see how that is relevant to the rest of the article at all?
        I'm also not a fan of arguments from tradition in general. ddate was included in util-linux until 2012(ish, I've also seen 2011), despite not really belonging there.
        Keeping it as an opt-in feature is what I think should happen, personally. I didn't even really look into disabling it, but I won't miss it
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        • vkc@linuxmom.netV vkc@linuxmom.net

          Hot take: good riddance. I dislike the middle click thing. Trips me up all the time as someone who accidentally clicks it when scrolling.

          I think the right move is to make this (undoubtedly useful to some) behavior opt-in, not opt-out.

          A lot of the gripes I see are just people being mad because GNOME makes choices they don't like. I don't understand why people write like this about GNOME, if you don't like it don't use it, your emotions make you look petty, etc etc.

          https://www.theregister.com/2026/01/07/gnome_middle_click_paste/

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          #85

          @vkc Recently I noticed that it has been disabled. It is frustrating that there is no setting for this behaviour because I always use it and it means I now have to do more clicks or a keyboard action to copy and paste in the terminal.

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          • glent@aus.socialG glent@aus.social

            @vkc thanks for illustrating my point.

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            #86

            @glent what?

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            • rappscal@dosgame.clubR rappscal@dosgame.club

              @vkc I agree about making it opt-in, but given the legacy they ought to show it in the settings app not in some config file. If you upgrade your OS and it doesn't work like it's always worked before, it's reasonable to expect you could look in the mouse settings next to cursor and scroll speed

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              #87

              @rappscal I tend to agree, put it in the settings app, *and* I'd argue that the best behavior would be to only disable it on fresh installs, not change it on an upgrade (I don't know how feasible that is, I'm not a GNOME dev).

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              • saorsa@neondystopia.worldS saorsa@neondystopia.world
                There is a vested interest by numerous groups within the free and open source community to take Linux in a direction that not everyone will agree with. GNOME happens to be one such group and tends to catch a lot of flak due to their unwillingness to compromise on their principles. Something that has at times caused complications in the projects they collaborate on such as Wayland.

                Ultimately, we have a difference in opinion when it comes to communities and their responsibility. I believe that a community has a responsibility to tend to the needs and interests of the people from which it consists. As a YouTuber for example, you would be nothing without your audience and as such you may have a vested interest to appease them.

                GNOME is held accountable only to the developers and people within their foundation and not the community. This creates a disconnect where people feel they are being ignored. When the users of your software make that discontent known and you continue to ignore it rather than address the issue, it festers resentment. That resentment builds up into the sentiment that some people have towards GNOME today.

                Sure, they can always just use COSMIC which has some feature parity to GNOME. But that isn't the point. In order to maintain a healthy community, some concessions are necessary and the cause and effect of GNOME refusing to do so is the sentiment people hold towards them.

                @vkc@linuxmom.net
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                #88

                @Saorsa@neondystopia.world @vkc@linuxmom.net

                GNOME is held accountable only to the developers and people within their foundation and not the community

                GNOME is a project made out of volunteers, and helding volunteers "accountable" isn't ethical. If someone wants to take part if developing GNOME, or project in its proximity, there is guide https://welcome.gnome.org/ for people interested in contributing.

                In fact, feedback is valuable, too. As long as it's respectful.

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                • D draeand@social.the-gdn.net

                  @vkc Agreed. Although I wish wayland actually cared about accessibility

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                  #89

                  @draeand@the-gdn.net @vkc@linuxmom.net ehhhhhh…

                  https://tesk.page/2025/06/18/its-true-we-dont-care-about-accessibility-on-linux/

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                  • lxak@goblin.technologyL lxak@goblin.technology

                    @vkc
                    Like, give it a week and an extension to bring back middle click will be published, and harmony will be restored 🤞

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                    #90

                    @lxak@goblin.technology @vkc@linuxmom.net Why extension? There are other ways to do it

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                    • vkc@linuxmom.netV vkc@linuxmom.net

                      Hot take: good riddance. I dislike the middle click thing. Trips me up all the time as someone who accidentally clicks it when scrolling.

                      I think the right move is to make this (undoubtedly useful to some) behavior opt-in, not opt-out.

                      A lot of the gripes I see are just people being mad because GNOME makes choices they don't like. I don't understand why people write like this about GNOME, if you don't like it don't use it, your emotions make you look petty, etc etc.

                      https://www.theregister.com/2026/01/07/gnome_middle_click_paste/

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                      #91

                      @vkc I love the middle click, I've been using it for about 26 years, and I think its one of my favourite features. I'll be annoyed if it goes away.

                      I'm totally ok with making it optional...

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                      • scruss@xoxo.zoneS scruss@xoxo.zone

                        @vkc not when you have muscle memory going back to the 1980s with middle click

                        not when the distro(s) you like have it as the default desktop

                        not when the other desktops are just a heap of no

                        Gnome tried to get rid of icons on the desktop a few years ago. User pressure brought them back (admittedly through some pretty foul shell hacks)

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                        #92

                        @scruss@xoxo.zone @vkc@linuxmom.net

                        Gnome tried to get rid of icons on the desktop a few years ago. User pressure brought them back (admittedly through some pretty foul shell hacks)

                        That happened with release of GNOME 3, in 2011 and GNOME never brought them back.

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                        • saorsa@neondystopia.worldS saorsa@neondystopia.world
                          There is a vested interest by numerous groups within the free and open source community to take Linux in a direction that not everyone will agree with. GNOME happens to be one such group and tends to catch a lot of flak due to their unwillingness to compromise on their principles. Something that has at times caused complications in the projects they collaborate on such as Wayland.

                          Ultimately, we have a difference in opinion when it comes to communities and their responsibility. I believe that a community has a responsibility to tend to the needs and interests of the people from which it consists. As a YouTuber for example, you would be nothing without your audience and as such you may have a vested interest to appease them.

                          GNOME is held accountable only to the developers and people within their foundation and not the community. This creates a disconnect where people feel they are being ignored. When the users of your software make that discontent known and you continue to ignore it rather than address the issue, it festers resentment. That resentment builds up into the sentiment that some people have towards GNOME today.

                          Sure, they can always just use COSMIC which has some feature parity to GNOME. But that isn't the point. In order to maintain a healthy community, some concessions are necessary and the cause and effect of GNOME refusing to do so is the sentiment people hold towards them.

                          @vkc@linuxmom.net
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                          #93

                          @Saorsa @vkc it's wrong to assume that *everybody* agrees on most things, or even on most things. This was never the case, and it will never be, and it's ok, and the big advantage, is that besides having a lot of optionsm we have mostly Free Software the have the power to fork. Those who don't like this, don't Like Free Software.

                          It's ok for GNOME to do whatever GNOME wants to do, that's called freedom. I say this and I don't always agree with them, and I use GNOME since I use Linux (decades)

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                          • vkc@linuxmom.netV vkc@linuxmom.net

                            The way the article is written. The way the comments talk about it.

                            Why do people make it sound like GNOME is some sort of secret cabal of Linux haters?

                            It's a freaking desktop environment, they have every right to build it however they want, and you have every right to use something different. There's zero reason to get emotionally charged about it.

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                            #94

                            @vkc they barely survived the malicious removal of init scripts by the Axis of Systemd, only to have their masculinity threatened by the Gnomerati making them toggle a setting in a DE they're not even using. It's a tough life /s

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                            • vkc@linuxmom.netV vkc@linuxmom.net

                              In this period, in this timeline, at this moment, maybe, just maybe, we shouldn't talk about *desktop environment design disagreements* like they're causing deep emotional harm?

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                              #95

                              @vkc Ugh! I'm really sick of that 2010s Buzzfeed rage-bait article style.

                              If folks like the design choices Gnome makes, then great. Use Gnome!

                              If people don't like Gnome, then it's not like there isn't a range of mature alternatives out there like Cinnamon, MATE, and XFCE.

                              Heck, you can have a great desktop experience using the KDE apps and Plasma these days if you don't like Gnome's decisions.

                              And is Gnome's design choices really the worst thing going on in the world right now? Really?!

                              Like, is it even in the top 1000 worst things happening right now?

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                              • D draeand@social.the-gdn.net

                                @vkc Agreed. Although I wish wayland actually cared about accessibility

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                                #96

                                @draeand
                                @vkc

                                This is not at all about wayland, the protocol, and you mean you wish desktop environments gave it a higher priority. People do care, but it unfortunately wasn't given enough attention for a long time.

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                                • mouseless@weirder.earthM mouseless@weirder.earth

                                  @vkc

                                  The combination of "newlines in pasted text will trigger messages sending in some chat clients" and "the middle mouse button is millimeters away from the spacebar on some laptops" is awful behaviour. I have had mortifying accidents because of it, where multiline text automatically sent to people I was speaking with- because I have human motor skills and hit the middle mouse button by accident.

                                  I admit it *can* be useful, I guess... but it's behaviour I would happily get rid of.

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                                  #97

                                  @mouseless @vkc I love the middle click, but I would be happy if people who don't could disable it.

                                  I think mouse buttons being millimetre away from space bar is a bad computer design.

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                                  • emi@social.comfy.cityE emi@social.comfy.city

                                    @draeand
                                    @vkc

                                    This is not at all about wayland, the protocol, and you mean you wish desktop environments gave it a higher priority. People do care, but it unfortunately wasn't given enough attention for a long time.

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                                    #98

                                    @emi @vkc No, Wayland neeeds to care too, not just DEs. Right now, global keyboard access and other things which assistive technology would require is all over the place and DEs are allowed to do their own thing. Those kinds of features should be a part of the core Wayland specification. Accessibility should never be a third-class citizen. And the accessibility landscape is already fragmented enough. We don't need Wayland adding to it

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                                    • tragivictoria@mastodon.catgirl.cloudT tragivictoria@mastodon.catgirl.cloud

                                      @lxak@goblin.technology @vkc@linuxmom.net Why extension? There are other ways to do it

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                                      #99

                                      @tragivictoria
                                      I mean to agree with @vkc FOSS users don't need to overreact to dev decisions, because the community can change the software to their liking. Extensions are just a for-instance for how these changes are shared

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                                      • gabriel@fedi.gvisoc.comG gabriel@fedi.gvisoc.com

                                        @vkc I agree with all said. Honestly, I haven't used the middle-click paste **on purpose** a single time in my whole life.

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                                        #100

                                        @gabriel @vkc My primary usage is the terminal to replace kb shortcut. It is hit or miss, whereas right click paste always works. But I'm on kde and Wayland, where x11isms sometimes even still work.

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                                        • aj@gts.sadauskas.id.auA aj@gts.sadauskas.id.au

                                          @vkc Ugh! I'm really sick of that 2010s Buzzfeed rage-bait article style.

                                          If folks like the design choices Gnome makes, then great. Use Gnome!

                                          If people don't like Gnome, then it's not like there isn't a range of mature alternatives out there like Cinnamon, MATE, and XFCE.

                                          Heck, you can have a great desktop experience using the KDE apps and Plasma these days if you don't like Gnome's decisions.

                                          And is Gnome's design choices really the worst thing going on in the world right now? Really?!

                                          Like, is it even in the top 1000 worst things happening right now?

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                                          #101

                                          @aj I remember the time pre-gnome; Fiddling with xf86 files; manually selecting VGA modes for you monitor, hoping you’d get it exactly right. Gnome fixed all that complexity brilliantly.

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