If you somehow still considered uploading your face/ID to Discord, here's one more reason not to: Peter Thiel seems to be the lead investor in the service that implements the age check.
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@GerardThornley I'm going to keep mine for now, as one-to-one chats are still not going to be limited, but *sigh* very predictable outcome, isn't it
@nina_kali_nina @GerardThornley yeah like facebook, there's too many people i'm not in touch with any other way
but it's more than a little annoying
discord does its value proposition very well! it's a pity about the company
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@nina_kali_nina Interesting. I got a much more "we're doing this, but in as privacy protecting way as we're able" impression from their press release the other day.
I'm satisfied I made the right decision regardless of how they presented it. (Closing my account).@GerardThornley @nina_kali_nina the implementation they were using at the time of posting that is the k-id system as developed by OpenAge (and you can see reference to this in the source linked from https://age-verifier.kibty.town/). I haven't done an in-depth analysis of how that system worked but the blurb on its page _looked_ reasonable (but absolutely still pending analysis)
discord is switching to Persona "because bypasses" (per a Taylor Lorenz tweet/skeet, didn't see article alongside it)
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@GerardThornley @nina_kali_nina the implementation they were using at the time of posting that is the k-id system as developed by OpenAge (and you can see reference to this in the source linked from https://age-verifier.kibty.town/). I haven't done an in-depth analysis of how that system worked but the blurb on its page _looked_ reasonable (but absolutely still pending analysis)
discord is switching to Persona "because bypasses" (per a Taylor Lorenz tweet/skeet, didn't see article alongside it)
@GerardThornley @nina_kali_nina to be clear, not stanning any part of this, just trying to provide context on how/what shifted recently and how to read information seen both then and now
the whole damn thing is bad and should fuck off, but 100x moreso if they go with thielco shit
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If you somehow still considered uploading your face/ID to Discord, here's one more reason not to: Peter Thiel seems to be the lead investor in the service that implements the age check. And, oh, the service page says they will store our data on their side (at least for a little while).
@nina_kali_nina oh, come on... Can't there be anything fun left in the world? ;_;
...apart from the fediverse, of course
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If you somehow still considered uploading your face/ID to Discord, here's one more reason not to: Peter Thiel seems to be the lead investor in the service that implements the age check. And, oh, the service page says they will store our data on their side (at least for a little while).
Already cancelled my account
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If you somehow still considered uploading your face/ID to Discord, here's one more reason not to: Peter Thiel seems to be the lead investor in the service that implements the age check. And, oh, the service page says they will store our data on their side (at least for a little while).
@nina_kali_nina so that is how Palantir gets its data
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If you somehow still considered uploading your face/ID to Discord, here's one more reason not to: Peter Thiel seems to be the lead investor in the service that implements the age check. And, oh, the service page says they will store our data on their side (at least for a little while).
@nina_kali_nina I assume the Peter Thiel guy is part of the "Epstein class" and does mass surveillance, but I'd like some clarification on the implications here so I don't have to assume
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If you somehow still considered uploading your face/ID to Discord, here's one more reason not to: Peter Thiel seems to be the lead investor in the service that implements the age check. And, oh, the service page says they will store our data on their side (at least for a little while).
@nina_kali_nina Hmm, so the company's statement that all of the verification was done locally on your phone was a lie, eh?
No surprise. I think it's time that everyone by default not trust any big tech company.
If you don't understand the tech, don't participate.
If you gut feeling is unsure, don't participate.
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@GerardThornley I'm going to keep mine for now, as one-to-one chats are still not going to be limited, but *sigh* very predictable outcome, isn't it
@nina_kali_nina
Personally, I wouldn't so bothered if a) people could choose their own service provider (which would presumably need some sort of accreditation), and b) the only information passed was a boolean for "age is above threshold".I haven't deleted it just yet, and am still wondering about it, but I think the policy is a sign of the trajectory, and I don't want to have to delete it under the pressure of some future update. Also, I want to send a signal.
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@nina_kali_nina I assume the Peter Thiel guy is part of the "Epstein class" and does mass surveillance, but I'd like some clarification on the implications here so I don't have to assume
@ariarhythmic Peter Thiel is the CEO of Palantir, a company that provides surveillance for governments. The guy himself is a famous far right billionaire, he keeps speaking up against democracy, and incidentally mentioned in the last batch of Epstein files hundreds of times, or so I've heard. The most concerning things, of course, are surveillance and anti democracy
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@nina_kali_nina Hmm, so the company's statement that all of the verification was done locally on your phone was a lie, eh?
No surprise. I think it's time that everyone by default not trust any big tech company.
If you don't understand the tech, don't participate.
If you gut feeling is unsure, don't participate.
@retrocoffee it wasn't a lie when they did the announcement, but they switched the provider when there was a bypass found for the local verification
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If you somehow still considered uploading your face/ID to Discord, here's one more reason not to: Peter Thiel seems to be the lead investor in the service that implements the age check. And, oh, the service page says they will store our data on their side (at least for a little while).
Yes, I am most definitely out, and trying to take my friends with me. -
@retrocoffee it wasn't a lie when they did the announcement, but they switched the provider when there was a bypass found for the local verification
@nina_kali_nina
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If you somehow still considered uploading your face/ID to Discord, here's one more reason not to: Peter Thiel seems to be the lead investor in the service that implements the age check. And, oh, the service page says they will store our data on their side (at least for a little while).
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If you somehow still considered uploading your face/ID to Discord, here's one more reason not to: Peter Thiel seems to be the lead investor in the service that implements the age check. And, oh, the service page says they will store our data on their side (at least for a little while).
@nina_kali_nina I know they’re going to play coy ad infinitum, per the late-stage capitalism handbook, but I do really wish they would just admit what they’re doing and own up to it. Rip the mask off, be honest about what they’re doing with our data, and unapologetically declare it.
It’s not like it would change anything. Maybe some Europeans would realize they’re being wholesale spied on by private American companies who sell the data to allow them to be targeted, but I suspect the vast majority would simply chug along like normal because it’s the most convenient group chat software available.
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If you somehow still considered uploading your face/ID to Discord, here's one more reason not to: Peter Thiel seems to be the lead investor in the service that implements the age check. And, oh, the service page says they will store our data on their side (at least for a little while).
@nina_kali_nina Oh great! Doesn't surprises me at all, Discord always has been terribly shady to me and that explains a whole lot. I wasn't planning to give anyone my ID anyway, but now I'm certain I will stop using Discord for good.
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@nina_kali_nina I assume the Peter Thiel guy is part of the "Epstein class" and does mass surveillance, but I'd like some clarification on the implications here so I don't have to assume
@ariarhythmic @nina_kali_nina Quote from the article requires no assumptions:
“If that's not enough for you to be unsettled by Thiel's money being involved in Discord's age verification rollout, the billionaire—who infamously wrote "I no longer believe that freedom and democracy are compatible" in 2009—appeared more than 2,200 times in the latest release of the Epstein files, where he coordinated years of meetings with the convicted child predator and sex trafficker.”
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@charlesdelavalleepoussin well, the answer is "maybe". Some countries, including UK, already require Mastodon servers to perform age checks for the visitors in some situations. It might be that some servers will be forced (by the governments) to either implement age verification or be shut down.
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@charlesdelavalleepoussin well, the answer is "maybe". Some countries, including UK, already require Mastodon servers to perform age checks for the visitors in some situations. It might be that some servers will be forced (by the governments) to either implement age verification or be shut down.
Does the "maybe" depend on instance size? or reach?
Thinking aloud - it can't be instance size because you can theoretically reach people beyond your instance.
I think age verification is a good thing. If it can be done in a privacy preserving way - and that, for me, is the issue.
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Does the "maybe" depend on instance size? or reach?
Thinking aloud - it can't be instance size because you can theoretically reach people beyond your instance.
I think age verification is a good thing. If it can be done in a privacy preserving way - and that, for me, is the issue.
@charlesdelavalleepoussin the answer, in case of the UK, lies in a 2000-page-long document. The topic is complicated, and I'm not qualified to talk about it in depth, unfortunately.
