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The Bosch eBike Flow App wins the CES Worst in Show award for Enshittification!

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  • ifixit@mastodon.socialI ifixit@mastodon.social

    The Bosch eBike Flow App wins the CES Worst in Show award for Enshittification!

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    #7

    @iFixit "* app for * bike" does not need to be a part of a true sentence.

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    • thor@mast.ttk.isT thor@mast.ttk.is

      @iFixit good thing then that the DMCA is not enforcable outside the United Shitholes of north America..

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      #8

      @thor @iFixit no, but you can be sure Bosch and others will pressure other legislators to adopt something similar. For “safety” and “the economy”, of course. We must remain vigilant.

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      • ifixit@mastodon.socialI ifixit@mastodon.social

        The Bosch eBike Flow App wins the CES Worst in Show award for Enshittification!

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        #9

        @iFixit Has anyone asked Bosch what they would do in a situation like the example given?

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        • ifixit@mastodon.socialI ifixit@mastodon.social

          The Bosch eBike Flow App wins the CES Worst in Show award for Enshittification!

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          #10

          @iFixit Cory Doctorow is my guide.

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          • ifixit@mastodon.socialI ifixit@mastodon.social

            The Bosch eBike Flow App wins the CES Worst in Show award for Enshittification!

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            #11

            @iFixit hiya, I want to share this but the alt text is just the post text and doesn't convey the content of the video. It wouldn't need to be a full transcript but ought to reflect what you'd tell someone if you were summarizing. If you fix this I'll be happy to boost!

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            • nicovel0@mastodon.socialN nicovel0@mastodon.social

              @thor @iFixit no, but you can be sure Bosch and others will pressure other legislators to adopt something similar. For “safety” and “the economy”, of course. We must remain vigilant.

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              #12

              @Nicovel0 @iFixit In Europe that might be tough. Europe, unlike the US isn't a corporatocracy.

              They will of course try. And it isn't like they haven't tried before. What does surprise me is that Bosch, being a German company - one would have thought they'd ethically stand above such immoralities - but then, BMW wanted a subscription fee for your paid-for car seat heater, so... 🤷‍♂️ boo knows...

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              • thor@mast.ttk.isT thor@mast.ttk.is

                @iFixit good thing then that the DMCA is not enforcable outside the United Shitholes of north America..

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                #13

                @thor technically, but thanks to free trade agreements it is: https://media.ccc.de/v/39c3-a-post-american-enshittification-resistant-internet

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                • ifixit@mastodon.socialI ifixit@mastodon.social

                  The Bosch eBike Flow App wins the CES Worst in Show award for Enshittification!

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                  #14

                  @iFixit No more Bosch

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                  • ifixit@mastodon.socialI ifixit@mastodon.social

                    The Bosch eBike Flow App wins the CES Worst in Show award for Enshittification!

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                    #15

                    @iFixit as an ebike user I do not agree. The option for this is awesome and long overdue. Bike theft is a real problem and if I have 3 computers on the bike that can be electronically locked, why should I not use this option?

                    My 9 year old Bosch bike already has a computer in the battery, in the motor and in the display unit. It has buttons, let me lock my property digitally!

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                    • ifixit@mastodon.socialI ifixit@mastodon.social

                      The Bosch eBike Flow App wins the CES Worst in Show award for Enshittification!

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                      #16

                      @iFixit Very, very disappointing, considering Bosch generally used to be a pretty good company.

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                      • thor@mast.ttk.isT thor@mast.ttk.is

                        @Nicovel0 @iFixit In Europe that might be tough. Europe, unlike the US isn't a corporatocracy.

                        They will of course try. And it isn't like they haven't tried before. What does surprise me is that Bosch, being a German company - one would have thought they'd ethically stand above such immoralities - but then, BMW wanted a subscription fee for your paid-for car seat heater, so... 🤷‍♂️ boo knows...

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                        #17

                        @thor @iFixit I don’t know about “ethical” and “company” going so well together. If it doesn’t affect their bottom line or is good PR, sure, they’ll be ethical. But if it does…

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                        • ifixit@mastodon.socialI ifixit@mastodon.social

                          The Bosch eBike Flow App wins the CES Worst in Show award for Enshittification!

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                          #18

                          @iFixit I choose a Bosch e-bike instead of a VanMoof because the battery, etc were easily replaceable/repairable. So this OSS a disappointing move from Bosch #ebike

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                          • thor@mast.ttk.isT thor@mast.ttk.is

                            @iFixit good thing then that the DMCA is not enforcable outside the United Shitholes of north America..

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                            #19

                            @thor Almost all other regions got pressured by the US to pass equivalent laws during trade agreement talks. This effects the EEA as well. Also see https://media.ccc.de/v/39c3-a-post-american-enshittification-resistant-internet @iFixit

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                            • ifixit@mastodon.socialI ifixit@mastodon.social

                              The Bosch eBike Flow App wins the CES Worst in Show award for Enshittification!

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                              #20

                              @iFixit I think you're missing several points, (a) the battery lock is opt-in and only on the paid subscription, (b) if, as in your example, the battery is stolen and taken to the police, an online database might help return the battery to the owner, (c) is there even an online DB? that design doesn't make sense because the bike would require internet access when the battery is attached, something which cannot be guaranteed.

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                              • ifixit@mastodon.socialI ifixit@mastodon.social

                                The Bosch eBike Flow App wins the CES Worst in Show award for Enshittification!

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                                #21

                                @iFixit You definitively should use hashtags such as #Bosch or #Flow #FlowApp in order to let people discover that important toot about #ebikes.

                                Avoid Bosch products!

                                #enshittification #eBike #CES

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                                • publicvoit@graz.socialP publicvoit@graz.social

                                  @iFixit You definitively should use hashtags such as #Bosch or #Flow #FlowApp in order to let people discover that important toot about #ebikes.

                                  Avoid Bosch products!

                                  #enshittification #eBike #CES

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                                  #22

                                  @publicvoit @iFixit you can use the bikes without ever using the app.

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                                  • schmittlauch@toot.matereal.euS schmittlauch@toot.matereal.eu

                                    @thor Almost all other regions got pressured by the US to pass equivalent laws during trade agreement talks. This effects the EEA as well. Also see https://media.ccc.de/v/39c3-a-post-american-enshittification-resistant-internet @iFixit

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                                    #23

                                    @schmittlauch @iFixit as I said - they tried. Even little Iceland didn't bow down.

                                    Icelnadic copyright law:
                                    art. 11; An individual can copy a published copyrighted work (book, music, movie) for own use as long as there is no financial gain.

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                                    • thor@mast.ttk.isT thor@mast.ttk.is

                                      @schmittlauch @iFixit as I said - they tried. Even little Iceland didn't bow down.

                                      Icelnadic copyright law:
                                      art. 11; An individual can copy a published copyrighted work (book, music, movie) for own use as long as there is no financial gain.

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                                      #24

                                      @schmittlauch @iFixit

                                      art. 11a; A legal owner of a computer program can copy it for safe-keeping (only!)
                                      A legal owner of a computer program can disassemble the program to examine, investigate or test the program to learn its workings and the ideas and views the individual parts of the programs rest on, given that these actions are in conjunction with the permissable use rightholder has in conjuction of the perusal of the software.

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                                      • thor@mast.ttk.isT thor@mast.ttk.is

                                        @schmittlauch @iFixit

                                        art. 11a; A legal owner of a computer program can copy it for safe-keeping (only!)
                                        A legal owner of a computer program can disassemble the program to examine, investigate or test the program to learn its workings and the ideas and views the individual parts of the programs rest on, given that these actions are in conjunction with the permissable use rightholder has in conjuction of the perusal of the software.

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                                        #25

                                        @schmittlauch @iFixit
                                        Remember DVD-Jon? That case made Europeans well aware of the scare tactics the eminate from the US. The Icelandic version of the MPAA tried to copy the US scare tactics, claiming copying was illegal - but they were shot down - because it isn't.

                                        And unlike americans, European people are VERY APT at watching their rights and fighting to keep them.

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                                        • ifixit@mastodon.socialI ifixit@mastodon.social

                                          The Bosch eBike Flow App wins the CES Worst in Show award for Enshittification!

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                                          #26

                                          @iFixit adding that if a vehicle has "illegal parts" fitted and is involved in an accident, any insurance would not pay out and the owner and user of the vehicle could technically be taken to court.

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