Observations from a Canadian visiting New Zealand:
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Today I learned that New Zealand "supper" seems to be more like what I'd imagine hobbits eat for meal number 6 (cheese, crackers, fruit, cookies) than Saskatchewan supper (the full meal you eat at the end of the day after a lot of hard farm labour)
"Kia ora!" Dying to share a clip here that convinced me Aotearoa/NZ is paradise, esp for foodies. May I?
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"Kia ora!" Dying to share a clip here that convinced me Aotearoa/NZ is paradise, esp for foodies. May I?
@TheEddieShow of course!!
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@TheEddieShow of course!!
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@TheEddieShow Saving to my "soothing food-making videos" stash!!
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@TheEddieShow Saving to my "soothing food-making videos" stash!!
In-flight, fond memories of your new favorite place.
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Today I learned that New Zealand "supper" seems to be more like what I'd imagine hobbits eat for meal number 6 (cheese, crackers, fruit, cookies) than Saskatchewan supper (the full meal you eat at the end of the day after a lot of hard farm labour)
@sundogplanets can confirm we call the main evening meal dinner or maaaaybe "tea" but that's far less common.
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Today I learned that New Zealand "supper" seems to be more like what I'd imagine hobbits eat for meal number 6 (cheese, crackers, fruit, cookies) than Saskatchewan supper (the full meal you eat at the end of the day after a lot of hard farm labour)
@sundogplanets If that is supper, what is a later night snack pre-bed called?
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Today I learned that New Zealand "supper" seems to be more like what I'd imagine hobbits eat for meal number 6 (cheese, crackers, fruit, cookies) than Saskatchewan supper (the full meal you eat at the end of the day after a lot of hard farm labour)
@sundogplanets Sask supper sounds like 'tea' in NZ.
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@sundogplanets If that is supper, what is a later night snack pre-bed called?
@mattwilcox @sundogplanets That would be a "bedtime snack".
(And as a Canadian, the idea that "tea" is the main evening meal definitely is hard to wrap my head around. While "tea" is not commonly used here as part of the daily meal schedule, the primary definition would be a beverage and a light bite mid afternoon.)
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@mattwilcox @sundogplanets That would be a "bedtime snack".
(And as a Canadian, the idea that "tea" is the main evening meal definitely is hard to wrap my head around. While "tea" is not commonly used here as part of the daily meal schedule, the primary definition would be a beverage and a light bite mid afternoon.)
@AmeliasBrain @sundogplanets Interesting. In the Midlands of the UK we use “breakfast, dinner, tea” for the three main meals. But other bits of the country would use “breakfast, lunch, dinner”.
It’s a mess of a language.
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@AmeliasBrain @sundogplanets Interesting. In the Midlands of the UK we use “breakfast, dinner, tea” for the three main meals. But other bits of the country would use “breakfast, lunch, dinner”.
It’s a mess of a language.
@mattwilcox It is. But the confusion is not even unique to the English language. In French, dîner can also be either mid-day or evening meal depending on what part of the world you are in. (In Canadian French, souper is more commonly used for the evening meal.)
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Today I learned that New Zealand "supper" seems to be more like what I'd imagine hobbits eat for meal number 6 (cheese, crackers, fruit, cookies) than Saskatchewan supper (the full meal you eat at the end of the day after a lot of hard farm labour)
@sundogplanets I'm going to guess that NZ terms came from a different part of the UK than Saskatchewan, and in NZ it may be something like:
- supper = small snack before bed
- dinner/tea = main evening meal around 6pm or similar.I remember hearing "supper" used in BC to describe the main evening meal, so that might be a Western Canadian thing. (Don't think I've heard it in Ontario.)
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@sundogplanets I'm going to guess that NZ terms came from a different part of the UK than Saskatchewan, and in NZ it may be something like:
- supper = small snack before bed
- dinner/tea = main evening meal around 6pm or similar.I remember hearing "supper" used in BC to describe the main evening meal, so that might be a Western Canadian thing. (Don't think I've heard it in Ontario.)
My sense is that it’s more about the timing of the agricultural to urban transition in Western Europe and the UK, and where and when the immigration flowed in relation to that.
Western Canadian usage can be quite different but my partner and I (both originally from BC) both grew up with supper as the usual evening meal while dinner was a formal event or a large midday meal among farm families.
BC had a very large wave of UK immigrants in the 1950s and early 1960s. In the early 1970s, over 40% of the adult BC population were UK immigrants. So, BC has quite a different history or English usage than elsewhere in Canada. Tea, or more specifically high tea, as a term for a late afternoon or early evening meal, was known and used among English expats but wasn’t as generally used.
English speakers who settled on the Prairies also were mostly directly from the UK, or in the case of southern Alberta and Saskatchewan, were failed farming pioneers recruited from the midwestern and prairie United States.
Ukrainians and other Eastern European settlers kept dinner as the large midday meal and supper as the evening meal. Two breakfasts were a thing.
Meanwhile, in Quebec ‘diner’ remains the midday meal and ‘souper’ the later evening one, and déjeuner is breakfast in the old European tradition — also the usage in Belgium and Switzerland — while in France it’s petit déjeuner, déjeuner then diner.
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Observations from a Canadian visiting New Zealand:
-Making NZers say "Saskatchewan" is kind of hilarious
-Roundabouts work really really well when everyone is used to them
-Drip coffee apparently does not exist here (espresso-based coffee drinks only. Even at the one Dunkin Donuts I saw in a hideous mall I had to go inside in Auckland).
-NZ signs do not play around (see example below)In the South of the US, we called the noontime main meal "dinner", and the main meal at 6pm was "supper". We drank a lot of tea, but did not have a customary time called "tea".
Outside the South, "lunch" is the noontime main meal, and "dinner" is the main meal at 6pm.
In Brazil, we once saw a small restaurant called "Lanches Makdonaldo", which I took to be "Lunches kinda like McDonald's", but I just learned "lanche" is kinda like NZ "tea".
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Today I learned that New Zealand "supper" seems to be more like what I'd imagine hobbits eat for meal number 6 (cheese, crackers, fruit, cookies) than Saskatchewan supper (the full meal you eat at the end of the day after a lot of hard farm labour)
@sundogplanets
Sounds about as confusing as
the different French meal names
between Québec and France -
Today I learned that New Zealand "supper" seems to be more like what I'd imagine hobbits eat for meal number 6 (cheese, crackers, fruit, cookies) than Saskatchewan supper (the full meal you eat at the end of the day after a lot of hard farm labour)
@sundogplanets
The best type of supper is the Scottish version when you go to the chippy and anything with chips is called a supper as in a fish supper, a sausage supper, a chicken supper etc. This is irrespective of the time of day. So you could buy a fish supper for lunch -
Observations from a Canadian visiting New Zealand:
-Making NZers say "Saskatchewan" is kind of hilarious
-Roundabouts work really really well when everyone is used to them
-Drip coffee apparently does not exist here (espresso-based coffee drinks only. Even at the one Dunkin Donuts I saw in a hideous mall I had to go inside in Auckland).
-NZ signs do not play around (see example below)-Making
NZersanyone say "Saskatchewan" is kind of hilarious -
Today I learned that New Zealand "supper" seems to be more like what I'd imagine hobbits eat for meal number 6 (cheese, crackers, fruit, cookies) than Saskatchewan supper (the full meal you eat at the end of the day after a lot of hard farm labour)
@sundogplanets Quick question - do you know if the lecture tomorrow night in New Plymouth needs an advanced booking? Very keen to attend
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@AmeliasBrain @sundogplanets Interesting. In the Midlands of the UK we use “breakfast, dinner, tea” for the three main meals. But other bits of the country would use “breakfast, lunch, dinner”.
It’s a mess of a language.
@mattwilcox @AmeliasBrain @sundogplanets
Dinner is the main meal. So it depends if that's in the middle of the day or towards the end.
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@sundogplanets Quick question - do you know if the lecture tomorrow night in New Plymouth needs an advanced booking? Very keen to attend
@Ali Sorry I have no idea how it works, it's organized by the local group.
