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"I just found out that it's been hallucinating numbers this entire time."

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  • glyph@mastodon.socialG glyph@mastodon.social

    @catbrainz @Natasha_Jay did this post just get deleted? search isn't digging it up for me

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    #90

    @catbrainz @Natasha_Jay ah. yes. here it is, deleted, although folks can read comments still apparently https://www.reddit.com/r/analytics/comments/1r4dsq2/we_just_found_out_our_ai_has_been_making_up/

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    • natasha_jay@tech.lgbtN natasha_jay@tech.lgbt

      "I just found out that it's been hallucinating numbers this entire time."

      #AI #Tech #AgenticAI

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      #91

      @Natasha_Jay also an example of wise men not liking math. Tabulating data and doing calculations is too tedious. Give me a simple summary in English. I'll make snap judgements with the help of gut instincts or masculine intuition.

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      • natasha_jay@tech.lgbtN natasha_jay@tech.lgbt

        "I just found out that it's been hallucinating numbers this entire time."

        #AI #Tech #AgenticAI

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        #92

        @Natasha_Jay A lot of people are of the opinion that AI is useful but you have to check the results. I get this at work all the time. This would be an argument for using it (not a particularly good one but still) if I didn’t know just how bad people are at checking and proof reading anything. Humans make errors all the time but the volume of errors is constrained by our output speed. AIs aren’t constrained so we have no hope of keeping up with their output to check it.

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        • natasha_jay@tech.lgbtN natasha_jay@tech.lgbt

          "I just found out that it's been hallucinating numbers this entire time."

          #AI #Tech #AgenticAI

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          #93

          @Natasha_Jay how did they caught it by accident? Isn't that one of the first steps you do with data to check if it actually works?
          So they could have just hired some random who will throw dice and even that would be a more sound business decision because at least then you have someone who takes accountability?
          All these people worked with the data and not once did it click that the data doesn't align with their previous data?

          Something about AI makes people turn off their brain

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          • natasha_jay@tech.lgbtN natasha_jay@tech.lgbt

            "I just found out that it's been hallucinating numbers this entire time."

            #AI #Tech #AgenticAI

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            #94
            @Natasha_Jay@tech.lgbt
            What did people think the "generative" in "Generative AI Tool" meant?

            I fail to see how that is wrong. It is a computer program doing exactly what it was programmed to do. Its programmer doesn't know what exactly is in that code, doesn't change that fact.
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            • jwdt@mastodon.socialJ jwdt@mastodon.social

              @cmthiede @Natasha_Jay in this case I thought what they're paying for was mostly plausible deniability and blame shifting when investors find out that the numbers you showed them were 20x better than reality.

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              #95

              @cmthiede @Natasha_Jay @jwdt hm surely the investors then pulls out the "due diligence" argument.

              If you are so stupid to trust an AI and even more stupid of expecting other people to pay for that then surely you're lacking above mentioned due diligence and are unable to lead a company

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              • davidr@hachyderm.ioD davidr@hachyderm.io

                @Epic_Null @Natasha_Jay That's bad, but honestly--switching to a new system without ever double checking anything?

                Everyone involved should be fired, including the #AI

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                #96

                @Epic_Null @Natasha_Jay @davidr yeah it's a system failure.
                the failure is so bad you need to investigate how such a bad decision could have ever been made and you need to change your process

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                • natasha_jay@tech.lgbtN natasha_jay@tech.lgbt

                  "I just found out that it's been hallucinating numbers this entire time."

                  #AI #Tech #AgenticAI

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                  #97

                  @Natasha_Jay
                  Well, AI for professionals & experts is a tool for the expert who is in charge and responsible.
                  The kind of use of AI described here is for *general public* AI, i.e. where the user has no idea how correct it is & shouldn't even have to care as long as it is reasonably plausible.
                  Professionals, experts & businesses can NEVER blame the "AI" for the hallucinations they take as truth. 🤷

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                  • drahardja@sfba.socialD drahardja@sfba.social

                    @Natasha_Jay This part in the original post is fantastic:

                    “The worst part I raised concerns about needing validation in November and got told I was slowing down innovation.”

                    hxxps://www.reddit.com/r/analytics/comments/1r4dsq2/we_just_found_out_our_ai_has_been_making_up/

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                    #98

                    @Natasha_Jay @drahardja some people really don't grasp what innovation is. Randomly running in a random direction is not innovation.

                    Surely the same people think the luddites just had a dislike for looms or something

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                    • maniaclives@mastodon.worldM maniaclives@mastodon.world

                      @sodiboo @drahardja @indigoviolet the reason I know of for breaking the link (by using hxxp) is when you don’t want to contribute referrer data to the linked site. Reddit doesn’t need to know we’re talking about them.

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                      #99

                      @sodiboo @drahardja @indigoviolet @maniaclives i usually just put a space at an obvious location
                      otherwise readers might spend forever looking for the mistake

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                      • nickboss@defcon.socialN nickboss@defcon.social

                        @Natasha_Jay

                        The only use of ai my company has successfully implemented is having it write emails to dead leads.

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                        #100

                        @NickBoss @Natasha_Jay
                        Oh jeez, is THAT where all my SPAM is coming from?!!?

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                        • taurus@thicc.horseT taurus@thicc.horse

                          @Natasha_Jay how did they caught it by accident? Isn't that one of the first steps you do with data to check if it actually works?
                          So they could have just hired some random who will throw dice and even that would be a more sound business decision because at least then you have someone who takes accountability?
                          All these people worked with the data and not once did it click that the data doesn't align with their previous data?

                          Something about AI makes people turn off their brain

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                          #101

                          @taurus @Natasha_Jay Wait, "plausible sounding percentages" is not enough checking?

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                          • natasha_jay@tech.lgbtN natasha_jay@tech.lgbt

                            "I just found out that it's been hallucinating numbers this entire time."

                            #AI #Tech #AgenticAI

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                            #102

                            @Natasha_Jay This really is a major issue with #AI.

                            Even if you use things like #Gemini "Deep Research", it still loves to make things up it couldn't research properly. For instance, I once tried to use it for researching axle ratios of cars and every time I've repeated the same request, it came up with different numbers.

                            (It can come up with decent results though for topics where lots of scientific papers are available, like life cycle emissions of vehicles with different propulsion types.)

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                            • drahardja@sfba.socialD drahardja@sfba.social

                              @stragu @Natasha_Jay No idea.

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                              #103

                              @stragu @Natasha_Jay @drahardja someone says its AI generated, maybe that?

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                              • G goedelchen@mastodontech.de

                                @taurus @Natasha_Jay Wait, "plausible sounding percentages" is not enough checking?

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                                #104

                                @Natasha_Jay @goedelchen uh no perhaps one should actually check

                                you know... the things a business does since... ever? Since the invention of business you are having an eye on the operation

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                                • natasha_jay@tech.lgbtN natasha_jay@tech.lgbt

                                  "I just found out that it's been hallucinating numbers this entire time."

                                  #AI #Tech #AgenticAI

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                                  #105

                                  @Natasha_Jay "Flounder, you can't spend your whole life worrying about your mistakes! You fucked ed up. You trusted us! Hey, make the best of it!"

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                                  • taurus@thicc.horseT taurus@thicc.horse

                                    @Natasha_Jay @goedelchen uh no perhaps one should actually check

                                    you know... the things a business does since... ever? Since the invention of business you are having an eye on the operation

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                                    #106

                                    @Natasha_Jay @goedelchen ah I think I answered too seriouy
                                    may I advice using a /s when saying things the average stupid person would write non-jokingly

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                                    • quantillion@mstdn.ioQ quantillion@mstdn.io

                                      @Natasha_Jay
                                      Well, AI for professionals & experts is a tool for the expert who is in charge and responsible.
                                      The kind of use of AI described here is for *general public* AI, i.e. where the user has no idea how correct it is & shouldn't even have to care as long as it is reasonably plausible.
                                      Professionals, experts & businesses can NEVER blame the "AI" for the hallucinations they take as truth. 🤷

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                                      #107

                                      @Quantillion @Natasha_Jay No, an LLM is a toddler that has been reading a lot of books but don’t understand any of them and just likes words that are next to other words, and then you need to be very precise and provide a lot of details in your questions to make it answer anything close to correct, and the next time you ask the same thing the answer is probably different.

                                      But yes, the user bears responsibility as the adult in the relationship.

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                                      • natasha_jay@tech.lgbtN natasha_jay@tech.lgbt

                                        "I just found out that it's been hallucinating numbers this entire time."

                                        #AI #Tech #AgenticAI

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                                        #108

                                        @Natasha_Jay Sounds plausible.

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                                        • natasha_jay@tech.lgbtN natasha_jay@tech.lgbt

                                          "I just found out that it's been hallucinating numbers this entire time."

                                          #AI #Tech #AgenticAI

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                                          #109

                                          @Natasha_Jay
                                          He he they are using randomization to make chat bot look more "intelligent"
                                          See this:
                                          https://towardsdatascience.com/llms-are-randomized-algorithms/

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