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  • volpeon@icy.wyvern.ripV volpeon@icy.wyvern.rip

    WebUSB
    WebGPU
    WebPCIE
    WebNVME
    WebSATA
    WebATX12V

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    #27

    @volpeon WebSCSI

    https://chaos.social/@manawyrm/115972694235993598

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    • volpeon@icy.wyvern.ripV volpeon@icy.wyvern.rip

      WebUSB
      WebGPU
      WebPCIE
      WebNVME
      WebSATA
      WebATX12V

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      #28

      @volpeon there's also WebSerial.

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      • volpeon@icy.wyvern.ripV volpeon@icy.wyvern.rip

        WebUSB
        WebGPU
        WebPCIE
        WebNVME
        WebSATA
        WebATX12V

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        #29

        @volpeon@icy.wyvern.rip WEBYuri anyone?

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        • manawyrm@chaos.socialM manawyrm@chaos.social

          @littlefox @volpeon less fortunate: they also fucked up the permissions checks on that websocket in a bunch of BMCs.

          You can send arbitrary SCSI packets to the host system with this mechanism...
          Both Linux and Windows really aren't hardened against evil block storage devices.

          Imagine the rest of the story.

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          #30

          @manawyrm @littlefox @volpeon 😍💀

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          • manawyrm@chaos.socialM manawyrm@chaos.social

            @littlefox @volpeon
            *sigh*
            OK, you wanted it:

            AMI MegaRAC (the BMC web UI for servers) has this feature where they allow you to select a .iso image for a CD-ROM in the web console (next to the KVM/VNC viewer).

            How did they implement the CD-ROM emulation?
            They open a WebSockets connection to the BMC, emulate a SCSI CD-ROM drive in JavaScript (!) and send raw SCSI packets back&forth via WebSockets, which the BMC then forwards via internal USB to the host system.

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            #31

            @manawyrm @littlefox @volpeon fun fact, the iDRAC virtual console is (slightly modified) VNC over a websocket

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            • manawyrm@chaos.socialM manawyrm@chaos.social

              @athenas @littlefox @volpeon Yes, there is access control with username/password or even LDAP, which might be used by badly informed users.

              But yes, the correct response is to _ALWAYS_ firewall and heavily isolate BMCs, consider them hostile and dangerous at all times.

              Their firmware is sooo shoddily written that they're basically remote code execution as a service.

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              #32

              @athenas @littlefox @volpeon @manawyrm inam reminded of int80s and travis goodspeeds antiforensics talks where they rewrote hard drive firmware to behave differently when they detected forensic sequential reads after a certain thresshold. 'hard drives are just tiny embedded linux devices'

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              • littlefox@gotosocial-dev.svc.0x0a.networkL littlefox@gotosocial-dev.svc.0x0a.network

                @manawyrm @volpeon tell me more. I crave more.

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                #33

                @littlefox @manawyrm @volpeon You really don't.

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                • manawyrm@chaos.socialM manawyrm@chaos.social

                  @littlefox @volpeon
                  *sigh*
                  OK, you wanted it:

                  AMI MegaRAC (the BMC web UI for servers) has this feature where they allow you to select a .iso image for a CD-ROM in the web console (next to the KVM/VNC viewer).

                  How did they implement the CD-ROM emulation?
                  They open a WebSockets connection to the BMC, emulate a SCSI CD-ROM drive in JavaScript (!) and send raw SCSI packets back&forth via WebSockets, which the BMC then forwards via internal USB to the host system.

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                  #34

                  @manawyrm @littlefox @volpeon Aaaaargh!

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                  • elfin@mstdn.socialE elfin@mstdn.social

                    @littlefox @manawyrm @volpeon You really don't.

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                    #35

                    @elfin @manawyrm @volpeon I need all the knowledge 😆

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                    • littlefox@gotosocial-dev.svc.0x0a.networkL littlefox@gotosocial-dev.svc.0x0a.network

                      @elfin @manawyrm @volpeon I need all the knowledge 😆

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                      #36

                      @littlefox @manawyrm @volpeon Some things just aren't healthy.

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                      • volpeon@icy.wyvern.ripV volpeon@icy.wyvern.rip

                        WebUSB
                        WebGPU
                        WebPCIE
                        WebNVME
                        WebSATA
                        WebATX12V

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                        #37

                        WebMMIO to rule all of them!

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                        • elfin@mstdn.socialE elfin@mstdn.social

                          @littlefox @manawyrm @volpeon Some things just aren't healthy.

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                          #38

                          @elfin @manawyrm @volpeon I know 😆
                          I never claimed this was healthy 😆

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                          • littlefox@gotosocial-dev.svc.0x0a.networkL littlefox@gotosocial-dev.svc.0x0a.network

                            @elfin @manawyrm @volpeon I know 😆
                            I never claimed this was healthy 😆

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                            #39

                            @littlefox @manawyrm @volpeon Fair enough.

                            I've worked on some storage in my day and I have seen some shady shit ... but that kludge is horrific.

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                            • elfin@mstdn.socialE elfin@mstdn.social

                              @littlefox @manawyrm @volpeon Fair enough.

                              I've worked on some storage in my day and I have seen some shady shit ... but that kludge is horrific.

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                              #40

                              @elfin @littlefox @volpeon Littlefox knows me long enough to know that when I say: „oh god“, things are really bad 😹🤭

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                              • manawyrm@chaos.socialM manawyrm@chaos.social

                                @elfin @littlefox @volpeon Littlefox knows me long enough to know that when I say: „oh god“, things are really bad 😹🤭

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                                #41

                                @manawyrm @elfin @volpeon 😆

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                                • littlefox@gotosocial-dev.svc.0x0a.networkL littlefox@gotosocial-dev.svc.0x0a.network

                                  @manawyrm @elfin @volpeon 😆

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                                  #42

                                  @littlefox @elfin @volpeon 😇🔥

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                                  • manawyrm@chaos.socialM manawyrm@chaos.social

                                    @volpeon WebSCSI!
                                    (actually exists, curtesy of American Megatrends)

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                                    #43

                                    @manawyrm @volpeon WebBIOS, curtesy of LSI!

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                                    • awooo@floofy.techA awooo@floofy.tech

                                      @manawyrm @littlefox @volpeon fun fact, the iDRAC virtual console is (slightly modified) VNC over a websocket

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                                      #44

                                      @awooo @manawyrm @littlefox @volpeon
                                      Back in my days it was a Java Web Start app.

                                      And it also allowed you to pick an ISO, and IIRC it also didn't have a progress bar indicating that the ISO is being uploaded...

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                                      • manawyrm@chaos.socialM manawyrm@chaos.social

                                        @littlefox @volpeon
                                        *sigh*
                                        OK, you wanted it:

                                        AMI MegaRAC (the BMC web UI for servers) has this feature where they allow you to select a .iso image for a CD-ROM in the web console (next to the KVM/VNC viewer).

                                        How did they implement the CD-ROM emulation?
                                        They open a WebSockets connection to the BMC, emulate a SCSI CD-ROM drive in JavaScript (!) and send raw SCSI packets back&forth via WebSockets, which the BMC then forwards via internal USB to the host system.

                                        mxshift@social.treehouse.systemsM This user is from outside of this forum
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                                        #45

                                        @manawyrm @littlefox @volpeon that's a small improvement. It used to be over TCP with RC4 and broken auth. https://eclypsium.com/research/virtual-media-vulnerability-in-bmc-opens-servers-to-remote-attack/

                                        PoC: https://github.com/eclypsium/usbanywhere

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                                        • manawyrm@chaos.socialM manawyrm@chaos.social

                                          @littlefox @volpeon
                                          *sigh*
                                          OK, you wanted it:

                                          AMI MegaRAC (the BMC web UI for servers) has this feature where they allow you to select a .iso image for a CD-ROM in the web console (next to the KVM/VNC viewer).

                                          How did they implement the CD-ROM emulation?
                                          They open a WebSockets connection to the BMC, emulate a SCSI CD-ROM drive in JavaScript (!) and send raw SCSI packets back&forth via WebSockets, which the BMC then forwards via internal USB to the host system.

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                                          #46

                                          @manawyrm @littlefox @volpeon 🤮

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