I know this #Discord nonsense has a lot of people searching for alternatives (like Matrix, Stoat, etc), and those alternatives have a chance to shine right now.
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@GlitchGhost Between AI and enshittification, It definitely feels like the right time to being back the gold standards from the classic web, especially RSS!
@killyourfm damn right, i only found out about RSS in 2022 or 2023 when i ditched social media for a while and it solved my dilemma of wanting to follow and keep up with stuff on the web without needing to signup for 200+ sites when i just want to follow and read stuff and its been around since 1999 and it never really went away and a ton of sites still use it today and i hope more people redicover it for those who want to be free of algorithms and its nice to see the fedi has RSS support
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@killyourfm damn right, i only found out about RSS in 2022 or 2023 when i ditched social media for a while and it solved my dilemma of wanting to follow and keep up with stuff on the web without needing to signup for 200+ sites when i just want to follow and read stuff and its been around since 1999 and it never really went away and a ton of sites still use it today and i hope more people redicover it for those who want to be free of algorithms and its nice to see the fedi has RSS support
@killyourfm one thing is they need to add support for images in the RSS becuase i like when sites have full text RSS when you can get everything and read it in full with miages and videos right in the web reader without needing to go to the site itself, thats one thing i want to see if RSS becomes the norm again
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@killyourfm one thing is they need to add support for images in the RSS becuase i like when sites have full text RSS when you can get everything and read it in full with miages and videos right in the web reader without needing to go to the site itself, thats one thing i want to see if RSS becomes the norm again
@killyourfm another thing is a website needs to be open to where anyone can browse it without them being behind a login screen so thats one thing that might hurt RSS with how locked down the web has been becoming in the past few years at least on the big tech stuff but im sure that wont be an issue on the indie web and blogs and whatever else comes along. RSS is pretty much the subscribe button for the web
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@killyourfm another thing is a website needs to be open to where anyone can browse it without them being behind a login screen so thats one thing that might hurt RSS with how locked down the web has been becoming in the past few years at least on the big tech stuff but im sure that wont be an issue on the indie web and blogs and whatever else comes along. RSS is pretty much the subscribe button for the web
@glitchghost@retro-gaiden.com fwiw NodeBB is a federating forum that ships with full text RSS support
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@flwwhtrbt Honestly, that's a bummer. There's still a fairly tall barrier to entry for quote/unquote normal users. Also, when I worked at Thunderbird, I can't tell you how many times we all ended up on Slack (our backup) because the Matrix instance was either down or not syncing or otherwise borked.
Not to mention using it on multiple devices can be a serious pain point.
My current issue with Matrix is the lack of BASIC MODERATION TOOLS LIKE BANNING
Who the hell decided that if you have a bunch of rooms in a Space, you'll jeed to ban a bad user from EVERY SINGLE ROOM ONE BY ONE INSTEAD OF JUST FROM THE SPACE
And god forbid you have SUBSPACES
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I know this #Discord nonsense has a lot of people searching for alternatives (like Matrix, Stoat, etc), and those alternatives have a chance to shine right now. BUT we need to go back to discussions and knowledge being searchable on the open web!
I say bring back the forums. It's time.
@BorrisInABox @killyourfm And then I need 50 accounts for the 50 Discord servers I'm in, and the forums will be half accessible or even better always differ in accessibility, will for sure not have voice channels and won't replace Discord because Discord is an instant messaging platform and no knowledge base.
I agree with your point, Discord should've never been used as forum replacement, but forums won't replace the main point of Discord. -
I know this #Discord nonsense has a lot of people searching for alternatives (like Matrix, Stoat, etc), and those alternatives have a chance to shine right now. BUT we need to go back to discussions and knowledge being searchable on the open web!
I say bring back the forums. It's time.
@killyourfm Back to forums? Yes, please!!! I used to write in forums, found friends there, until that damned FB killed them all. I lost so many contacts (I never joined FB) and miss people and discussions about special topics ...
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I know this #Discord nonsense has a lot of people searching for alternatives (like Matrix, Stoat, etc), and those alternatives have a chance to shine right now. BUT we need to go back to discussions and knowledge being searchable on the open web!
I say bring back the forums. It's time.
@killyourfm Football fans forums for Premier Lesgue teams are quite active to be honest
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I know this #Discord nonsense has a lot of people searching for alternatives (like Matrix, Stoat, etc), and those alternatives have a chance to shine right now. BUT we need to go back to discussions and knowledge being searchable on the open web!
I say bring back the forums. It's time.
@killyourfm I miss forums.
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@BorrisInABox @killyourfm And then I need 50 accounts for the 50 Discord servers I'm in, and the forums will be half accessible or even better always differ in accessibility, will for sure not have voice channels and won't replace Discord because Discord is an instant messaging platform and no knowledge base.
I agree with your point, Discord should've never been used as forum replacement, but forums won't replace the main point of Discord.@jonathan859 @killyourfm You mean the point that way too many people aren't actually using Discord for?
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I know this #Discord nonsense has a lot of people searching for alternatives (like Matrix, Stoat, etc), and those alternatives have a chance to shine right now. BUT we need to go back to discussions and knowledge being searchable on the open web!
I say bring back the forums. It's time.
Regarding forums, a few that I used to use have had to go "members only" or use firewalls like Anubis because of scrapers. It is frustrating for some users because they can't even use a regular search engine to look for things on their own forum. (This even pushed users to Discord!)
I do prefer having things open, and especially prefer not having to make an account. So I hope that forums stay mostly open and not members-only.
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@myTerminal That's heartbreakingly true, and as someone who has built and managed many communities, I totally get it. It just sucks because the communities get more and more fragmented.
@killyourfm @myTerminal I have arrived at the conclusion that if someone I know enough for that kind of communication suggests a new *sensible* platform I am not already using, that is fine, I will use it. You have taken up Session or SimpleX: Cool. Let's do that. Even between Signal, Matrix, Delta Chat, Nextcloud Talk and Threema, I have a pretty good idea where people are. Of course, all this is for private communications, so not on a huge scale.
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I know this #Discord nonsense has a lot of people searching for alternatives (like Matrix, Stoat, etc), and those alternatives have a chance to shine right now. BUT we need to go back to discussions and knowledge being searchable on the open web!
I say bring back the forums. It's time.
I wasted so much time on badly moderated forums, I'm burnt out on them.
No, the answer "I don't know what I did, but now it's working" isn't a valid solution.
I'm also not going to find the answer on page 81 of 217, because most forum searches are not that great unfortunately.There are some ways to make forums more useful, but they all require moderation and effort, which, let's be honest, will probably be handed over to an AI anyway.
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@killyourfm This is one of my favorite topics for research, and I've been on-and-off spending a lot of time on it lately. #Matrix is my favorite with its third-party clients but is much different an animal.
@myTerminal @killyourfm I feel that discussing larger topics or resolving issues really turns to shit in the Wall-Of-Text era of discussion.
If one had suggested in the time of the forums - with the huge, deeply threaded discussions quoting several people in posts - that maybe we should just do this in IRC, people would have called that out as absurd.
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I know this #Discord nonsense has a lot of people searching for alternatives (like Matrix, Stoat, etc), and those alternatives have a chance to shine right now. BUT we need to go back to discussions and knowledge being searchable on the open web!
I say bring back the forums. It's time.
@killyourfm fediverse is the forum tho -
@killyourfm damn right, i only found out about RSS in 2022 or 2023 when i ditched social media for a while and it solved my dilemma of wanting to follow and keep up with stuff on the web without needing to signup for 200+ sites when i just want to follow and read stuff and its been around since 1999 and it never really went away and a ton of sites still use it today and i hope more people redicover it for those who want to be free of algorithms and its nice to see the fedi has RSS support
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@GlitchGhost @killyourfm RSS isn’t any part of activitypub some servers just happen to implement it.
@sun @killyourfm i know, i just like having RSS as an option to follow stuff online becasue you can follow blog,forums, video channels and many more stuff across the web. its pretty much like the subscribe system of the web the way i see RSS
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I know this #Discord nonsense has a lot of people searching for alternatives (like Matrix, Stoat, etc), and those alternatives have a chance to shine right now. BUT we need to go back to discussions and knowledge being searchable on the open web!
I say bring back the forums. It's time.
@killyourfm federated forums exist, just use them.
Oldschool forums that you need to register to are dying and that's expected.
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I know this #Discord nonsense has a lot of people searching for alternatives (like Matrix, Stoat, etc), and those alternatives have a chance to shine right now. BUT we need to go back to discussions and knowledge being searchable on the open web!
I say bring back the forums. It's time.
@killyourfm I still visit the refuge of what once was the Facepunch forums do this day.
I also set up Stoat for my friends if they want it, which they said they do, and because Stoat is receiving a "Voice v2" overhaul (and is thus inoperable on self-hosted according to my experience and understanding) I set up Jitsi which disconnects me from calls in a few minutes.
Why is Voicechat for Open Source so hard, arghhh.
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I know this #Discord nonsense has a lot of people searching for alternatives (like Matrix, Stoat, etc), and those alternatives have a chance to shine right now. BUT we need to go back to discussions and knowledge being searchable on the open web!
I say bring back the forums. It's time.
@killyourfm Fourteen comments about discord and I have no idea what the hell any of them are talking about. Y’all have been using it as a replacement for forums this whole time?
I’ve just been using it for essentially 20-way international voice calls. There’s a text section to help coordinate times, but the bulk of my time is spent in voice chat. I’m not looking forward to needing to set something up to handle that, and I’m sure most people don’t even have the minimum requirements to even start hosting it locally.
