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The FDA decided not to even review Moderna's mRNA flu vaccines for approval, even though the studies the FDA would be reviewing were conducted the way the FDA told Moderna to do them.

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  • jeneralist@med-mastodon.comJ jeneralist@med-mastodon.com

    The FDA decided not to even review Moderna's mRNA flu vaccines for approval, even though the studies the FDA would be reviewing were conducted the way the FDA told Moderna to do them.

    Now #Moderna expects that none of its other #mRNA #vaccines will be reviewed, and has halted studies on vaccines for EBV, HSV, and shingles.

    A lot of people with herpes would be angry if they found out.

    A lot of people who have family members with #MS -- now thought to be caused in part by EBV -- will be livid.

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    #132

    @jeneralist If you need that broken, inflated medical market to turn a profit, and no new medication can be developed without expecting a profit, we're in trouble.

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    • jeneralist@med-mastodon.comJ jeneralist@med-mastodon.com

      The FDA decided not to even review Moderna's mRNA flu vaccines for approval, even though the studies the FDA would be reviewing were conducted the way the FDA told Moderna to do them.

      Now #Moderna expects that none of its other #mRNA #vaccines will be reviewed, and has halted studies on vaccines for EBV, HSV, and shingles.

      A lot of people with herpes would be angry if they found out.

      A lot of people who have family members with #MS -- now thought to be caused in part by EBV -- will be livid.

      kaetchi@mastodon.onlineK This user is from outside of this forum
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      #133

      @jeneralist they want not only to reduce childhood vaccination, but stop them from being produced, only hope that the rest of the world continues development and production

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      • ponygirl@mastodon.socialP ponygirl@mastodon.social

        @largess @EndicottAuthor @jeneralist Stupid always has a price. It's never free.

        momo@social.linux.pizzaM This user is from outside of this forum
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        #134

        @Ponygirl
        And the entire world has to pay it! Because Moderna said without the US market, they can't hit ROI. Means the entire world don't get mRNA vaccines if Trump says no. This is fucked.
        @largess @EndicottAuthor @jeneralist

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        • momo@social.linux.pizzaM momo@social.linux.pizza

          @Ponygirl
          And the entire world has to pay it! Because Moderna said without the US market, they can't hit ROI. Means the entire world don't get mRNA vaccines if Trump says no. This is fucked.
          @largess @EndicottAuthor @jeneralist

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          #135
          @largess

          > "Cipolla was right, a stupid person is the most dangerous of people."

          I'm going to push back a bit on this. The most dangerous of all people are the ultra-wealthy who prey on stupid people to enrich themseves, especially when the wealthy use propaganda to rile masses of people to affect policy that will benefit the wealthy.

          That is what is why the ultra-wealthy are usually so anti-science. If too many people were more scintifically literate, they would start making demands of the politically powerful, like solving climate change, seeing minorities like trans people as human beings with human rights, and providing affordable health care (especially vaccines) for everyone. The only time they are ever pro-science is when they need people to develop new weapons and surveillance systems.

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          @Ponygirl @EndicottAuthor @jeneralist
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          • G goedelchen@mastodontech.de

            @Frieke72 @Mikal @jeneralist BioNTech (the German company that developed the mRNA Covid19 vaccine distributed by Pfizer) is developing vaccines against HSV, Mpox, HIV...

            One competitor less, now.

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            #136

            @Frieke72 @Mikal @jeneralist @goedelchen
            (I don't know whether BioNTech will be able to recover their research costs if the US market is gone. But if so...)

            Vaccination tourism may become a thing for Americans.

            (And then the US border patrol will check vaccination booklets at the airports and will detain and deport everyone vaccinated with mRNA to avoid "shedding")

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            • jeneralist@med-mastodon.comJ jeneralist@med-mastodon.com

              The FDA decided not to even review Moderna's mRNA flu vaccines for approval, even though the studies the FDA would be reviewing were conducted the way the FDA told Moderna to do them.

              Now #Moderna expects that none of its other #mRNA #vaccines will be reviewed, and has halted studies on vaccines for EBV, HSV, and shingles.

              A lot of people with herpes would be angry if they found out.

              A lot of people who have family members with #MS -- now thought to be caused in part by EBV -- will be livid.

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              #137

              @jeneralist
              *Everyone* should be furious about this. It's a terrible outcome for all of humanity.

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              • drwho@masto.hackers.townD drwho@masto.hackers.town

                @ancientsounds @jeneralist No, BioNTech. To take advantage of Moderna's stumble. They're pretty nimble as pharmacorps go.

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                #138

                @drwho @jeneralist
                It will be interesting to see. (Sorry you got laid off.)

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                • franksting@theblower.auF franksting@theblower.au

                  @mu @jeneralist @Taco_lad i absolutely can and I absolutely am. The population of the USA is ~5% of the world population

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                  #139

                  @franksting @mu @jeneralist @Taco_lad It has to do with the markups on medication being uncapped in the US.

                  Elsewhere they can't just mark meds up 1000% but in the US they generally can and do.

                  So, 5% sure but the profits come from the markups on that small population.

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                  • lispi314@udongein.xyzL lispi314@udongein.xyz
                    @jeneralist Why are they so focused on USA market? Just because the USA is making bad decisions doesn't meant they can't market their vaccines in Canada or Mexico.
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                    #140

                    @lispi314 @jeneralist Markups on medications are why the US market is a big thing here. That's why they're focused on the US. They can mark it up as much as they'd like.

                    Last year I checked how much it would cost to get my Covid booster w/o insurance as it was several hundred dollars. Just, shocking. I thought it might be somewhere around $100 but it was quite a bit more.

                    No way I could get it without.

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                    • clarablackink@writing.exchangeC clarablackink@writing.exchange

                      @franksting @mu @jeneralist @Taco_lad It has to do with the markups on medication being uncapped in the US.

                      Elsewhere they can't just mark meds up 1000% but in the US they generally can and do.

                      So, 5% sure but the profits come from the markups on that small population.

                      taco_lad@aus.socialT This user is from outside of this forum
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                      #141

                      @clarablackink @franksting @mu @jeneralist oh. We know. End stage disaster capitalism means we all suffer because a giant pharma corp can't squeeze 5% of the population for every cent they can.

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