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To keep #OpenStreetMap.org up and running while we're being deluged by scrapers, we've blocked 320,000+ primarily residential IPv4 addresses in the last 24 hours (+ 100,000 IPv6) involved in scraping.

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  • ryanprior@mastodon.socialR ryanprior@mastodon.social

    @olbohlen @HunterZ @osm_tech sad to hear that! It's wild though, you can sign up for a scraper proxy service in minutes. They're legal, inexpensive, and easy to use. Admins who assume scrapers are using their own machines that inauthentic traffic will come from a few IP addresses are sadly living in the past.

    olbohlen@norden.socialO This user is from outside of this forum
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    #28

    @ryanprior @HunterZ @osm_tech sure I could, but I refuse to put my selfhosted stuff behind some new dependency...

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    • olbohlen@norden.socialO olbohlen@norden.social

      @ryanprior @HunterZ @osm_tech sure I could, but I refuse to put my selfhosted stuff behind some new dependency...

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      #29

      @olbohlen @HunterZ @osm_tech the complexity of setting up defenses for this is regrettable

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      • osm_tech@en.osm.townO osm_tech@en.osm.town

        To keep #OpenStreetMap.org up and running while we're being deluged by scrapers, we've blocked 320,000+ primarily residential IPv4 addresses in the last 24 hours (+ 100,000 IPv6) involved in scraping.

        If you need OSM data, please don't scrape the website - use the official downloads at https://planet.openstreetmap.org
        🙏🌍 #AI #Bots #Abuse

        hlunke@darmstadt.socialH This user is from outside of this forum
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        #30

        @osm_tech

        Might be a good idea to become OSMF Member now or just donate some money.
        Membership is starting at 15£/yer
        https://supporting.openstreetmap.org/

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        • osm_tech@en.osm.townO osm_tech@en.osm.town

          @JonSaenzAgirre It is a good questions, and we don't know the answer either. Our planet data is so much easier to process and use.

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          #31

          @osm_tech @JonSaenzAgirre thats dumb ai, probably. No "i" at all...

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          • osm_tech@en.osm.townO osm_tech@en.osm.town

            To keep #OpenStreetMap.org up and running while we're being deluged by scrapers, we've blocked 320,000+ primarily residential IPv4 addresses in the last 24 hours (+ 100,000 IPv6) involved in scraping.

            If you need OSM data, please don't scrape the website - use the official downloads at https://planet.openstreetmap.org
            🙏🌍 #AI #Bots #Abuse

            tykayn@mastodon.cipherbliss.comT This user is from outside of this forum
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            #32

            @osm_tech
            Have you tried some #iocaine, #anubis, and shared block lists for #fail2ban ?
            I think some defense guides for admin sys would be useful for a few people around here that are hosting things for osm too

            #fuckiascraping

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            • osm_tech@en.osm.townO osm_tech@en.osm.town

              To keep #OpenStreetMap.org up and running while we're being deluged by scrapers, we've blocked 320,000+ primarily residential IPv4 addresses in the last 24 hours (+ 100,000 IPv6) involved in scraping.

              If you need OSM data, please don't scrape the website - use the official downloads at https://planet.openstreetmap.org
              🙏🌍 #AI #Bots #Abuse

              burtyb@widget.ukB This user is from outside of this forum
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              #33

              @osm_tech sounds familiar, last year I braved turning cloudflares "under attack" mode off for https://dnshistory.org/ and saw an extra 5 million requests/day (500k unique IPs) overloading things. It's still blocking >700k requests/day a month later...

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              • osm_tech@en.osm.townO osm_tech@en.osm.town

                To keep #OpenStreetMap.org up and running while we're being deluged by scrapers, we've blocked 320,000+ primarily residential IPv4 addresses in the last 24 hours (+ 100,000 IPv6) involved in scraping.

                If you need OSM data, please don't scrape the website - use the official downloads at https://planet.openstreetmap.org
                🙏🌍 #AI #Bots #Abuse

                clarinerd@mastodon.socialC This user is from outside of this forum
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                #34

                @osm_tech and we can tell the scrapers are AI built because a cursory glance at the documentation on the "coders" part would've prevented this problem.

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                • osm_tech@en.osm.townO osm_tech@en.osm.town

                  To keep #OpenStreetMap.org up and running while we're being deluged by scrapers, we've blocked 320,000+ primarily residential IPv4 addresses in the last 24 hours (+ 100,000 IPv6) involved in scraping.

                  If you need OSM data, please don't scrape the website - use the official downloads at https://planet.openstreetmap.org
                  🙏🌍 #AI #Bots #Abuse

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                  #35

                  @osm_tech Thank you. I'm a beginner who has just been doing toy projects and has barely any notion of what web scraping is but I'm very happy to learn that your data can be downloaded 🙏

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                  • zymurgic@mastodon.onlineZ zymurgic@mastodon.online

                    @osm_tech I wonder if the culprit will ever come forward, apologise, and change their ways? Someone tasked these proxy scrapers with ridiculous requests.
                    Have they been targeting the main OSM API, the website interface designed for humans, or Overpass?

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                    #36

                    @zymurgic @osm_tech this kind of abuse has become normal and normalized. It's the AI way. Makes it tough for the legit crawlers out there, too.

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                    • hunterz@mastodon.sdf.orgH hunterz@mastodon.sdf.org

                      @osm_tech does coming from residential IPs mean that someone has baked a scraper into some popular tool that people don't realize is doing that?

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                      #37

                      @HunterZ @osm_tech
                      My first guess would be some dual-use browser extension. Aka Trojan.

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                      • osm_tech@en.osm.townO osm_tech@en.osm.town

                        To keep #OpenStreetMap.org up and running while we're being deluged by scrapers, we've blocked 320,000+ primarily residential IPv4 addresses in the last 24 hours (+ 100,000 IPv6) involved in scraping.

                        If you need OSM data, please don't scrape the website - use the official downloads at https://planet.openstreetmap.org
                        🙏🌍 #AI #Bots #Abuse

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                        #38

                        @osm_tech Limit the speed to Modem 14400 speed each IP for a month or so. 😅

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                        • jonsaenzagirre@mastodon.eusJ jonsaenzagirre@mastodon.eus

                          @osm_tech question. Why do people scrape server which make the data freely available? And, probably, better structured in the final product. I don't see the point.

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                          #39

                          @JonSaenzAgirre @osm_tech
                          The scrapers are DUMB.
                          They are not curated, have only basic maintenance, are built to gobble up ANYTHING textual they encounter, without respect, mercy or reason.

                          Just collect meaningless data.

                          That’s the nature of the coveted LLMs: just statistics, no understanding, structure or meaning.

                          And greedy crooks in haste to make quick money just grab everything they can.

                          The AI bubble needs to pop really soon.

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                          • clarinerd@mastodon.socialC clarinerd@mastodon.social

                            @osm_tech and we can tell the scrapers are AI built because a cursory glance at the documentation on the "coders" part would've prevented this problem.

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                            #40

                            @ClariNerd @osm_tech Because their IP ranges are increasingly being blocked by servers following their harmful scraping habits, AI companies are now releasing "browsers" so they can scrape from residential IPs instead and circumvent blocks. Oh, sorry, I meant "so they can empower users with AI insight in this new era of information".

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                            • jkb@gotosocial.jkbockstael.beJ jkb@gotosocial.jkbockstael.be

                              @ClariNerd @osm_tech Because their IP ranges are increasingly being blocked by servers following their harmful scraping habits, AI companies are now releasing "browsers" so they can scrape from residential IPs instead and circumvent blocks. Oh, sorry, I meant "so they can empower users with AI insight in this new era of information".

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                              #41

                              @jkb @osm_tech brb repeatedly slamming my forehead against my desk for the next five minutes. Then I will reread that and hopefully it will seem less dystopian.

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