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Whatever this European tech sovereignty formulates into DO NOT give us European Big Tech.

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  • anttipeltola@mastodon.worldA This user is from outside of this forum
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    #1

    Whatever this European tech sovereignty formulates into DO NOT give us European Big Tech.

    Open protocols, open standards, open source. Like the 1990s internet I enjoyed as a kid. The European governments finance the projects and largely leave us the fuck alone.

    No gods. No masters. ✊

    #EU #Europe #EUPol #EuroPol

    uriel@x.keinpfusch.netU witchescauldron@kolektiva.socialW kithrup@wandering.shopK hyc@mastodon.socialH _amol_@fosstodon.org_ 8 Antworten Letzte Antwort
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    • anttipeltola@mastodon.worldA anttipeltola@mastodon.world

      Whatever this European tech sovereignty formulates into DO NOT give us European Big Tech.

      Open protocols, open standards, open source. Like the 1990s internet I enjoyed as a kid. The European governments finance the projects and largely leave us the fuck alone.

      No gods. No masters. ✊

      #EU #Europe #EUPol #EuroPol

      uriel@x.keinpfusch.netU This user is from outside of this forum
      uriel@x.keinpfusch.netU This user is from outside of this forum
      uriel@x.keinpfusch.net
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      #2

      @anttipeltola I am sure they will obey you.

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      • anttipeltola@mastodon.worldA anttipeltola@mastodon.world

        Whatever this European tech sovereignty formulates into DO NOT give us European Big Tech.

        Open protocols, open standards, open source. Like the 1990s internet I enjoyed as a kid. The European governments finance the projects and largely leave us the fuck alone.

        No gods. No masters. ✊

        #EU #Europe #EUPol #EuroPol

        witchescauldron@kolektiva.socialW This user is from outside of this forum
        witchescauldron@kolektiva.socialW This user is from outside of this forum
        witchescauldron@kolektiva.social
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        #3

        @anttipeltola the #4opens is a good test.

        Use #4opens as a litmus test, not a manifesto. It works best like this: “Cool project. Let’s do a quick sanity check.” is it: Open code? Open data? Open standards? Open governance? If the answers get vague, defensive, or managerial, that’s your signal. You don’t need to argue, simply don’t invest trust or energy. Capture starves quietly when it isn’t fed.

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        • anttipeltola@mastodon.worldA anttipeltola@mastodon.world

          Whatever this European tech sovereignty formulates into DO NOT give us European Big Tech.

          Open protocols, open standards, open source. Like the 1990s internet I enjoyed as a kid. The European governments finance the projects and largely leave us the fuck alone.

          No gods. No masters. ✊

          #EU #Europe #EUPol #EuroPol

          kithrup@wandering.shopK This user is from outside of this forum
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          #4

          @anttipeltola I've been a big fan of open standards since just after the term "open software" came into being.

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          • anttipeltola@mastodon.worldA anttipeltola@mastodon.world

            Whatever this European tech sovereignty formulates into DO NOT give us European Big Tech.

            Open protocols, open standards, open source. Like the 1990s internet I enjoyed as a kid. The European governments finance the projects and largely leave us the fuck alone.

            No gods. No masters. ✊

            #EU #Europe #EUPol #EuroPol

            hyc@mastodon.socialH This user is from outside of this forum
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            #5

            @anttipeltola further decentralization would be beneficial too. That would be best served with self-hosting, which also would benefit from symmetric internet speeds, and by now, it would need IPv6 everywhere.

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            • anttipeltola@mastodon.worldA anttipeltola@mastodon.world

              Whatever this European tech sovereignty formulates into DO NOT give us European Big Tech.

              Open protocols, open standards, open source. Like the 1990s internet I enjoyed as a kid. The European governments finance the projects and largely leave us the fuck alone.

              No gods. No masters. ✊

              #EU #Europe #EUPol #EuroPol

              _amol_@fosstodon.org_ This user is from outside of this forum
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              _amol_@fosstodon.org
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              #6

              @anttipeltola I share your values, but the issue in that plan is that big moonshots and major technical improvements need multi year huge investments at loss. And that requires a company with a big enough budget that it can afford that loss.

              So if we don’t want big techs we need to find another model to fund big moonshots.

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              • _amol_@fosstodon.org_ _amol_@fosstodon.org

                @anttipeltola I share your values, but the issue in that plan is that big moonshots and major technical improvements need multi year huge investments at loss. And that requires a company with a big enough budget that it can afford that loss.

                So if we don’t want big techs we need to find another model to fund big moonshots.

                anttipeltola@mastodon.worldA This user is from outside of this forum
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                #7

                @_amol_

                Most of the open-source software you are using was built with little to no external funding. Mainly volunteer work. Giving a few million EUR grants to these projects is nothing for European governments.

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                • anttipeltola@mastodon.worldA anttipeltola@mastodon.world

                  @_amol_

                  Most of the open-source software you are using was built with little to no external funding. Mainly volunteer work. Giving a few million EUR grants to these projects is nothing for European governments.

                  _amol_@fosstodon.org_ This user is from outside of this forum
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                  #8

                  @anttipeltola I am an open source maintainer myself. Even on some projects with significant funding. “Volunteer work” is not a sustainable model. I maintain OSS software in my spare time and when I have the energy to do so. But that’s not what pays my bills and I honestly know zero OSS maintainers that are able to live decently purely on donations

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                  • anttipeltola@mastodon.worldA anttipeltola@mastodon.world

                    Whatever this European tech sovereignty formulates into DO NOT give us European Big Tech.

                    Open protocols, open standards, open source. Like the 1990s internet I enjoyed as a kid. The European governments finance the projects and largely leave us the fuck alone.

                    No gods. No masters. ✊

                    #EU #Europe #EUPol #EuroPol

                    jaymoore@genomic.socialJ This user is from outside of this forum
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                    jaymoore@genomic.social
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                    #9

                    @anttipeltola something German/Scandinavian would be good. Well designed and built, decentralized by nature, green in intent and inherently nonviolent. Tech as public utility. Not for profit.

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                    • anttipeltola@mastodon.worldA anttipeltola@mastodon.world

                      Whatever this European tech sovereignty formulates into DO NOT give us European Big Tech.

                      Open protocols, open standards, open source. Like the 1990s internet I enjoyed as a kid. The European governments finance the projects and largely leave us the fuck alone.

                      No gods. No masters. ✊

                      #EU #Europe #EUPol #EuroPol

                      liw@toot.liw.fiL This user is from outside of this forum
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                      liw@toot.liw.fi
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                      #10

                      @anttipeltola I agree. A problem with very big companies I see is that they're hard to regulate. Another is that they tend to not serve the people using them. An ecosystem with a small number of very big players seems inherently less healthy and less likely to cope with disasters than one with many players of different size, which can still collaborate.

                      Very, very large projects are easier for very, very big players. But still possible by collaboration among smaller players.

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                      • liw@toot.liw.fiL liw@toot.liw.fi

                        @anttipeltola I agree. A problem with very big companies I see is that they're hard to regulate. Another is that they tend to not serve the people using them. An ecosystem with a small number of very big players seems inherently less healthy and less likely to cope with disasters than one with many players of different size, which can still collaborate.

                        Very, very large projects are easier for very, very big players. But still possible by collaboration among smaller players.

                        lobingera@chaos.socialL This user is from outside of this forum
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                        #11

                        @liw @anttipeltola I'm working in a regulated industry (telecommunications) that mandates open standards and interoperability and let's say that never caused trouble.

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                        • anttipeltola@mastodon.worldA anttipeltola@mastodon.world

                          Whatever this European tech sovereignty formulates into DO NOT give us European Big Tech.

                          Open protocols, open standards, open source. Like the 1990s internet I enjoyed as a kid. The European governments finance the projects and largely leave us the fuck alone.

                          No gods. No masters. ✊

                          #EU #Europe #EUPol #EuroPol

                          jmaris@eupolicy.socialJ This user is from outside of this forum
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                          jmaris@eupolicy.social
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                          #12

                          @anttipeltola one point I've repeatedly raised with lawmakers is that if we just build European big tech, then it risks being acquired and we'll be back to square one.

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