Dear services that refuse email addresses that have the name of the service in the address:

@IrrationalMethod @alexr @paul_ipv6 oooh, I've hit a few sites like that. Or combined with the recovery process (remove MFA) not working because it treats a + as space (url encoding), but the sign up doesn't.

I've locked myself out of at least 5 sites and support refuse or cannot help.

@j_angliss @IrrationalMethod @alexr

i gave up on the + method decades ago due to way too many places breaking it and it hasn't really improved. i still run my own mail server so that i can have a unique email per site that *most* sites will accept.

bad web developers and "security" folks using "best practices" lists that have never been valid make life miserable for all of us.

@j_angliss @IrrationalMethod @alexr

i gave up on the + method decades ago due to way too many places breaking it and it hasn't really improved. i still run my own mail server so that i can have a unique email per site that *most* sites will accept.

bad web developers and "security" folks using "best practices" lists that have never been valid make life miserable for all of us.

@paul_ipv6 @j_angliss @alexr

Yes, I use my own domain(s) with a paid mail provider that offers both wildcard addresses and their own random email address generator, and I can send/receive from either. But moving there was more about not trusting Google than frustrations with the + character.

While I hear it's not that hard, but I'm happy to let someone else deal with the problems.

@paul_ipv6 @j_angliss @alexr

Yes, I use my own domain(s) with a paid mail provider that offers both wildcard addresses and their own random email address generator, and I can send/receive from either. But moving there was more about not trusting Google than frustrations with the + character.

While I hear it's not that hard, but I'm happy to let someone else deal with the problems.

@IrrationalMethod @j_angliss @alexr

the problem with the + hack is that when it's broken, it's *really* broken. most folks have made support unusable for anything not dead simple, so it tends to make that site unusable. murphy's law says it will be some site i need. financial sites are particularly notorious for stupid and bad decisions on how they deal with account security.

@paul_ipv6 @j_angliss @alexr

I have to say it's been facinating to see the + address I provided to ACE hardware show up in some fraudulent spam lists and then gradually find it being used by "legitimate" mass mailings from a major US political party that I didn't share it with, for somehow connected my identity with it.

@IrrationalMethod @j_angliss @alexr

i've had probably half a dozen emails show them leaked or compromised. more have shown that someone was bought out and their lists sold.

the most spammed addr i have is one on an IETF RFC, where the emails in the RFC are not hidden at all. i specifically used a unique addr, knowing this. it's been fantastically useful as a canary in the coal mine of who is using really cheap crappy unvalidated lists to spam.

@paul_ipv6 @IrrationalMethod @alexr I'm signed up for "have I been pwned" for my domain and its surprising where I see my email addresses (real or generated) appear.

Dear services that refuse email addresses that have the name of the service in the address:

We domain owners do that because we do not trust you not to sell that address to others or otherwise use it inappropriately. Your algorithmic refusal of that address is sketchy af.

Dear services that refuse email addresses that have the name of the service in the address:

We domain owners do that because we do not trust you not to sell that address to others or otherwise use it inappropriately. Your algorithmic refusal of that address is sketchy af.

@j_angliss @paul_ipv6 @alexr I should do that for my domains... I didn't know it was an option.

Dear services that refuse email addresses that have the name of the service in the address:

We domain owners do that because we do not trust you not to sell that address to others or otherwise use it inappropriately. Your algorithmic refusal of that address is sketchy af.

Dear services that refuse email addresses that have the name of the service in the address:

We domain owners do that because we do not trust you not to sell that address to others or otherwise use it inappropriately. Your algorithmic refusal of that address is sketchy af.

@alexr we handle this by rot13ing their name and then undoing the transformation on our mailserver's end

Dear services that refuse email addresses that have the name of the service in the address:

We domain owners do that because we do not trust you not to sell that address to others or otherwise use it inappropriately. Your algorithmic refusal of that address is sketchy af.

@alexr

Agree. Although I use it for to detect data breaches.

I tell the shops its anti spam so we know its from you. Makes em feel special.

The refusal to accept their name in the email probably results more from a over zelous web site designer than anything else.

Reversing their name usually works

$ echo example.com | tac
moc.elpmaxe@.....

@alexr I use name+service@Mydomain.com

Some services do not support +word in an email address! It's in the spec!!

@alexr @paul_ipv6 same for ones that dont allow + in the mailbox part. It's in the RFC, even google/Gmail supports it.

I made myself a small script to base64 encode the site + date (in case it's a site that allows you to order stuff but not register), but its not convenient.

Dear services that refuse email addresses that have the name of the service in the address:

We domain owners do that because we do not trust you not to sell that address to others or otherwise use it inappropriately. Your algorithmic refusal of that address is sketchy af.