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  • jt_rebelo@ciberlandia.ptJ jt_rebelo@ciberlandia.pt

    @Infoseepage @GossiTheDog but Microslop says it "does not provide any government with our encryption keys or the ability to break our encryption". https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/corporate-responsibility/reports/government-requests/customer-data
    (And they seem to have stopped publishing the reports after the Orange Menace barged into office)...

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    #19

    @jt_rebelo @Infoseepage @GossiTheDog it's important to note that the objection here is that users should not be encouraged to store their own encryption keys on a service provider, as that provider has a responsibility to comply with legal search warrants wherever it does business. Microsoft does not "directly" give anyone keys to data without such a warrant as a matter of policy.

    @GossiTheDog is correct to argue that a) it shouldn't be made easy to default to the cloud and b) that ultimately, if you mean to encrypt then you likely mean to own those keys yourself. Don't put them in a service that must respond to legal instruments.

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    • squillace@hachyderm.ioS squillace@hachyderm.io

      @jt_rebelo @Infoseepage @GossiTheDog it's important to note that the objection here is that users should not be encouraged to store their own encryption keys on a service provider, as that provider has a responsibility to comply with legal search warrants wherever it does business. Microsoft does not "directly" give anyone keys to data without such a warrant as a matter of policy.

      @GossiTheDog is correct to argue that a) it shouldn't be made easy to default to the cloud and b) that ultimately, if you mean to encrypt then you likely mean to own those keys yourself. Don't put them in a service that must respond to legal instruments.

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      #20

      @jt_rebelo @Infoseepage @GossiTheDog the default for storing such things would be an encrypted version, per the Apple option.

      We have no knowledge whether Apple or Google have ever given something out. I would not take that for a denial that they had.

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      • gossithedog@cyberplace.socialG gossithedog@cyberplace.social

        I was wondering when a reporter would uncover this.

        So BitLocker is super secure, right? Well... BitLocker recovery keys are backed up to Microsoft's Cloud - and they give them out to law enforcement on request. Using the BitLocker recovery key, you can just unlock the device without a PIN etc.
        https://www.forbes.com/sites/thomasbrewster/2026/01/22/microsoft-gave-fbi-keys-to-unlock-bitlocker-encrypted-data/

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        #21

        @GossiTheDog Several concerns added up to make me leave M$ last year. Good decision.

        Happy and free, this is no concern of mine, and I will just enjoy the afternoon sun. Microsoft is history.

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        • gossithedog@cyberplace.socialG gossithedog@cyberplace.social

          I was wondering when a reporter would uncover this.

          So BitLocker is super secure, right? Well... BitLocker recovery keys are backed up to Microsoft's Cloud - and they give them out to law enforcement on request. Using the BitLocker recovery key, you can just unlock the device without a PIN etc.
          https://www.forbes.com/sites/thomasbrewster/2026/01/22/microsoft-gave-fbi-keys-to-unlock-bitlocker-encrypted-data/

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          #22

          @GossiTheDog@cyberplace.social don't keep your password on some server. always use a notebook if you can

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          • squillace@hachyderm.ioS squillace@hachyderm.io

            @jt_rebelo @Infoseepage @GossiTheDog the default for storing such things would be an encrypted version, per the Apple option.

            We have no knowledge whether Apple or Google have ever given something out. I would not take that for a denial that they had.

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            #23

            @squillace well, it's part of how Windows works with Microsoft (online) accounts at least since Windows 8.1 (I had to recover an encryption key to help someone reset their Surface device and I got it through their user account, a Microslop support rep back then told me that they couldn't help if there wasn't a cloud backup, the key wasn't accessible to the user without it). So users don't really have a choice in the matter (no access to key at all, or have it on Microslop's cloud).
            @Infoseepage @GossiTheDog

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            • gossithedog@cyberplace.socialG gossithedog@cyberplace.social

              I was wondering when a reporter would uncover this.

              So BitLocker is super secure, right? Well... BitLocker recovery keys are backed up to Microsoft's Cloud - and they give them out to law enforcement on request. Using the BitLocker recovery key, you can just unlock the device without a PIN etc.
              https://www.forbes.com/sites/thomasbrewster/2026/01/22/microsoft-gave-fbi-keys-to-unlock-bitlocker-encrypted-data/

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              #24

              @GossiTheDog I don’t understand putting your trust in black box proprietary encryption software when TrueCrypt/VeraCrypt exist and are older than BitLocker by 3 years, stupid doesn’t even begin to describe it.

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              • gossithedog@cyberplace.socialG gossithedog@cyberplace.social

                It's not just the FBI, btw - MS accepts valid law enforcement request internationally. Also it's not just BitLocker.

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                #25

                @GossiTheDog yes true

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                • gossithedog@cyberplace.socialG gossithedog@cyberplace.social

                  I was wondering when a reporter would uncover this.

                  So BitLocker is super secure, right? Well... BitLocker recovery keys are backed up to Microsoft's Cloud - and they give them out to law enforcement on request. Using the BitLocker recovery key, you can just unlock the device without a PIN etc.
                  https://www.forbes.com/sites/thomasbrewster/2026/01/22/microsoft-gave-fbi-keys-to-unlock-bitlocker-encrypted-data/

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                  #26

                  @GossiTheDog am I a Luddite if I mention that paper can get tossed into a fireplace or shredded?

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                  • gossithedog@cyberplace.socialG gossithedog@cyberplace.social

                    I was wondering when a reporter would uncover this.

                    So BitLocker is super secure, right? Well... BitLocker recovery keys are backed up to Microsoft's Cloud - and they give them out to law enforcement on request. Using the BitLocker recovery key, you can just unlock the device without a PIN etc.
                    https://www.forbes.com/sites/thomasbrewster/2026/01/22/microsoft-gave-fbi-keys-to-unlock-bitlocker-encrypted-data/

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                    #27

                    @GossiTheDog there's no secure in slop. Never has been.

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                    • gossithedog@cyberplace.socialG gossithedog@cyberplace.social

                      I was wondering when a reporter would uncover this.

                      So BitLocker is super secure, right? Well... BitLocker recovery keys are backed up to Microsoft's Cloud - and they give them out to law enforcement on request. Using the BitLocker recovery key, you can just unlock the device without a PIN etc.
                      https://www.forbes.com/sites/thomasbrewster/2026/01/22/microsoft-gave-fbi-keys-to-unlock-bitlocker-encrypted-data/

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                      #28

                      @GossiTheDog Never, ever trust any company to secure your secrets. Use local storage like Proton to keep it on your own devices, under your own control

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                      • gossithedog@cyberplace.socialG gossithedog@cyberplace.social

                        I was wondering when a reporter would uncover this.

                        So BitLocker is super secure, right? Well... BitLocker recovery keys are backed up to Microsoft's Cloud - and they give them out to law enforcement on request. Using the BitLocker recovery key, you can just unlock the device without a PIN etc.
                        https://www.forbes.com/sites/thomasbrewster/2026/01/22/microsoft-gave-fbi-keys-to-unlock-bitlocker-encrypted-data/

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                        #29

                        @GossiTheDog That's not encryption, that's just a password with extra steps.

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                        • gossithedog@cyberplace.socialG gossithedog@cyberplace.social

                          I was wondering when a reporter would uncover this.

                          So BitLocker is super secure, right? Well... BitLocker recovery keys are backed up to Microsoft's Cloud - and they give them out to law enforcement on request. Using the BitLocker recovery key, you can just unlock the device without a PIN etc.
                          https://www.forbes.com/sites/thomasbrewster/2026/01/22/microsoft-gave-fbi-keys-to-unlock-bitlocker-encrypted-data/

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                          #30

                          @GossiTheDog I was already in the process of getting everything Microsoft dragged up to its cloud out. Docker is finally killed off, and as much of Google as I can, but they don't make it easy.

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                          • gsprs@mastodon.socialG gsprs@mastodon.social

                            @GossiTheDog I don’t understand putting your trust in black box proprietary encryption software when TrueCrypt/VeraCrypt exist and are older than BitLocker by 3 years, stupid doesn’t even begin to describe it.

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                            #31

                            @gsprs @GossiTheDog last time I set up a Win11 machine a year and a half ago, it was obligatory to use an account (they had blocked all the workarounds at the time) - and BitLocker was automatically activated. Not sure it's even easy to deactivate that and use VeraCrypt instead, now.

                            On my previous Win11 machine, I was able to bypass using an account and BitLocker was not provided. In that case I found I could put a firmware lock on the drive - good enough for my purposes.

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                            • bontchev@infosec.exchangeB bontchev@infosec.exchange

                              @GossiTheDog Yep. Which is why I don't have a Microsoft account, don't back up recovery keys to the cloud, or use BitLocker in the first place.

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                              #32

                              @bontchev @GossiTheDog which is why I don't have a Microsoft operating system 😉

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                              • gossithedog@cyberplace.socialG gossithedog@cyberplace.social

                                I was wondering when a reporter would uncover this.

                                So BitLocker is super secure, right? Well... BitLocker recovery keys are backed up to Microsoft's Cloud - and they give them out to law enforcement on request. Using the BitLocker recovery key, you can just unlock the device without a PIN etc.
                                https://www.forbes.com/sites/thomasbrewster/2026/01/22/microsoft-gave-fbi-keys-to-unlock-bitlocker-encrypted-data/

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                                #33
                                @GossiTheDog "so bitlocker is super secure, right?"

                                yeah, that's what i thought too, until a few years ago, when most of windows boot environment bugs i found came with bitlocker key dumping or derivation as a side effect

                                there's more default settings than just that that leads to a less secure configuration
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                                • yoshi@toot.communityY yoshi@toot.community

                                  @GossiTheDog Never, ever trust any company to secure your secrets. Use local storage like Proton to keep it on your own devices, under your own control

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                                  #34

                                  @Yoshi @GossiTheDog

                                  https://keepassxc.org/

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                                  • gossithedog@cyberplace.socialG gossithedog@cyberplace.social

                                    I was wondering when a reporter would uncover this.

                                    So BitLocker is super secure, right? Well... BitLocker recovery keys are backed up to Microsoft's Cloud - and they give them out to law enforcement on request. Using the BitLocker recovery key, you can just unlock the device without a PIN etc.
                                    https://www.forbes.com/sites/thomasbrewster/2026/01/22/microsoft-gave-fbi-keys-to-unlock-bitlocker-encrypted-data/

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                                    #35

                                    @GossiTheDog jfc

                                    > Federal investigators in Guam believed the devices held evidence that would help prove individuals handling the island’s Covid unemployment assistance program were part of a plot to steal funds.

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                                    • gossithedog@cyberplace.socialG gossithedog@cyberplace.social

                                      I was wondering when a reporter would uncover this.

                                      So BitLocker is super secure, right? Well... BitLocker recovery keys are backed up to Microsoft's Cloud - and they give them out to law enforcement on request. Using the BitLocker recovery key, you can just unlock the device without a PIN etc.
                                      https://www.forbes.com/sites/thomasbrewster/2026/01/22/microsoft-gave-fbi-keys-to-unlock-bitlocker-encrypted-data/

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                                      #36

                                      @GossiTheDog
                                      So, wo auch das Thema dann mal durch ist.

                                      Gut das wir im Bereich der kritischen Infrastruktur auf unabhängige #Software setzen.

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                                      • gossithedog@cyberplace.socialG gossithedog@cyberplace.social

                                        I was wondering when a reporter would uncover this.

                                        So BitLocker is super secure, right? Well... BitLocker recovery keys are backed up to Microsoft's Cloud - and they give them out to law enforcement on request. Using the BitLocker recovery key, you can just unlock the device without a PIN etc.
                                        https://www.forbes.com/sites/thomasbrewster/2026/01/22/microsoft-gave-fbi-keys-to-unlock-bitlocker-encrypted-data/

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                                        #37

                                        @GossiTheDog I'm happy with my LUKS encryption

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                                        • gossithedog@cyberplace.socialG gossithedog@cyberplace.social

                                          I was wondering when a reporter would uncover this.

                                          So BitLocker is super secure, right? Well... BitLocker recovery keys are backed up to Microsoft's Cloud - and they give them out to law enforcement on request. Using the BitLocker recovery key, you can just unlock the device without a PIN etc.
                                          https://www.forbes.com/sites/thomasbrewster/2026/01/22/microsoft-gave-fbi-keys-to-unlock-bitlocker-encrypted-data/

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                                          #38

                                          @GossiTheDog PIRACY flaw.

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