Zohran is expanding the number of public toilets in NYC and improving how the existing ones are cleaned and maintained.
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Well lets see if this is a big enough program.
Doing things in NYC means go big or go home. For this to have an impact it will need to have a secure funding source and it should take about a year or two to spin up.
I will be watching.
@futurebird @jacobyaudio
> Doing things in NYC means go big or go homeReading this in the context of toilets is... interesting
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Zohran is expanding the number of public toilets in NYC and improving how the existing ones are cleaned and maintained.
If this is a big enough initiative it will have a huge impact on quality of life for new yorkers. I don't know if it is big enough. Nonetheless *this* is the way to address the things that make people feel like the city is a dump. It's also just... civilized. IDK. How do you call it a city and you have no bathrooms?
Anyway welcome to communism.
The homeless and drug users will ruin the new bathrooms. Without addressing that issue first, this is just a waste of time.
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@futurebird The communist principle of [checks notes] not wanting people to pee in the street or crap their pants.
@ColesStreetPothole @futurebird actually, peeing on the street for free _is_ communist!
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I hope they're not gender specific.
@EricLawton @futurebird
"That" only works in cultured, civilized societies and a couple of generations in the future.
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Zohran is expanding the number of public toilets in NYC and improving how the existing ones are cleaned and maintained.
If this is a big enough initiative it will have a huge impact on quality of life for new yorkers. I don't know if it is big enough. Nonetheless *this* is the way to address the things that make people feel like the city is a dump. It's also just... civilized. IDK. How do you call it a city and you have no bathrooms?
Anyway welcome to communism.
@futurebird One of the hardest things for my mom when she has tried to visit me in New York has been toilet access. If you are not used to just holding it for hours, which most of us are, the city is totally inaccessible. I showed her that most hotels will not stop you from using a lobby toilet if you look like you know what you are doing, and she was convinced the city has made me insane. And then you visit a place like Tokyo and have a luxury bidet toilet experience in a subway station...
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@futurebird One of the hardest things for my mom when she has tried to visit me in New York has been toilet access. If you are not used to just holding it for hours, which most of us are, the city is totally inaccessible. I showed her that most hotels will not stop you from using a lobby toilet if you look like you know what you are doing, and she was convinced the city has made me insane. And then you visit a place like Tokyo and have a luxury bidet toilet experience in a subway station...
@carrideen @futurebird right. the other tricks i know are pretty clustered around midtown: museum memberships, making to the mall at columbus circle, NYPL branches. Used to be Crate & Barrel, which had a set of maybe 4 stalls in 2 bathrooms. but then it moved downtown, and now there's one stall that's harder to access.
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@carrideen @futurebird right. the other tricks i know are pretty clustered around midtown: museum memberships, making to the mall at columbus circle, NYPL branches. Used to be Crate & Barrel, which had a set of maybe 4 stalls in 2 bathrooms. but then it moved downtown, and now there's one stall that's harder to access.
@carrideen @futurebird in Queens, where we have all the big-box retail, it's a little easier. but then you gotta be at big box retail. sigh.
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Well lets see if this is a big enough program.
Doing things in NYC means go big or go home. For this to have an impact it will need to have a secure funding source and it should take about a year or two to spin up.
I will be watching.
I was reading an interview with Mamdami where he was commenting that the funding for a lot of these programs had already been secured years ago, just never implemented. I don't know if this is one of them, but I know they've been talking about installing public toilets in NYC since I lived there in the 90s!
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Zohran is expanding the number of public toilets in NYC and improving how the existing ones are cleaned and maintained.
If this is a big enough initiative it will have a huge impact on quality of life for new yorkers. I don't know if it is big enough. Nonetheless *this* is the way to address the things that make people feel like the city is a dump. It's also just... civilized. IDK. How do you call it a city and you have no bathrooms?
Anyway welcome to communism.
@futurebird Aside from Kahn Academies and some Montessori schools; the US educational system doesn't teach Root Cause Analysis, anywhere near the range needed to effectively reconstruct sustainable root infrastructure.
A nice, brief breath of fresh air though.
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Zohran is expanding the number of public toilets in NYC and improving how the existing ones are cleaned and maintained.
If this is a big enough initiative it will have a huge impact on quality of life for new yorkers. I don't know if it is big enough. Nonetheless *this* is the way to address the things that make people feel like the city is a dump. It's also just... civilized. IDK. How do you call it a city and you have no bathrooms?
Anyway welcome to communism.
@futurebird How is he doing this, logistically speaking? Toilets have to physically sit somewhere, be hooked up to plumbing, lighting, etc. Not the easiest task in a crowded place like NYC.
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Zohran is expanding the number of public toilets in NYC and improving how the existing ones are cleaned and maintained.
If this is a big enough initiative it will have a huge impact on quality of life for new yorkers. I don't know if it is big enough. Nonetheless *this* is the way to address the things that make people feel like the city is a dump. It's also just... civilized. IDK. How do you call it a city and you have no bathrooms?
Anyway welcome to communism.
@futurebird I hope other cities take notice, wood privacy improve tourism. Before I go to any events if there’s no bathroom, I go bye bye,
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Zohran is expanding the number of public toilets in NYC and improving how the existing ones are cleaned and maintained.
If this is a big enough initiative it will have a huge impact on quality of life for new yorkers. I don't know if it is big enough. Nonetheless *this* is the way to address the things that make people feel like the city is a dump. It's also just... civilized. IDK. How do you call it a city and you have no bathrooms?
Anyway welcome to communism.
@futurebird
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Zohran is expanding the number of public toilets in NYC and improving how the existing ones are cleaned and maintained.
If this is a big enough initiative it will have a huge impact on quality of life for new yorkers. I don't know if it is big enough. Nonetheless *this* is the way to address the things that make people feel like the city is a dump. It's also just... civilized. IDK. How do you call it a city and you have no bathrooms?
Anyway welcome to communism.
@futurebird Tbf I kind of skimmed through the comments, but haven't noticed a single person explicitly mention how beneficial this is to unhoused New Yorkers (granted there shouldn't be anybody unhoused to begin with). I guess it's kind of needless to be said though.
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@futurebird How is he doing this, logistically speaking? Toilets have to physically sit somewhere, be hooked up to plumbing, lighting, etc. Not the easiest task in a crowded place like NYC.
This is one of the easier parts of doing this for the city. The city has the parks, sidewalks, streets and many buildings and other places that it can use rent free. Likewise there are many existing toilets that are just... closed. Taking up space and no one can use them.
For the plumbing there is a RFP for ideas and some copying of what they are doing in other cities.
My major concern is long term funding.
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Zohran is expanding the number of public toilets in NYC and improving how the existing ones are cleaned and maintained.
If this is a big enough initiative it will have a huge impact on quality of life for new yorkers. I don't know if it is big enough. Nonetheless *this* is the way to address the things that make people feel like the city is a dump. It's also just... civilized. IDK. How do you call it a city and you have no bathrooms?
Anyway welcome to communism.
@futurebird @donaldball Kinda the inverse of “broken windows.”
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This is one of the easier parts of doing this for the city. The city has the parks, sidewalks, streets and many buildings and other places that it can use rent free. Likewise there are many existing toilets that are just... closed. Taking up space and no one can use them.
For the plumbing there is a RFP for ideas and some copying of what they are doing in other cities.
My major concern is long term funding.
@futurebird I hope it succeeds! Seems like a no-brainer... if there is one thing everybody has in common, it's a need to use the toilet.
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Zohran is expanding the number of public toilets in NYC and improving how the existing ones are cleaned and maintained.
If this is a big enough initiative it will have a huge impact on quality of life for new yorkers. I don't know if it is big enough. Nonetheless *this* is the way to address the things that make people feel like the city is a dump. It's also just... civilized. IDK. How do you call it a city and you have no bathrooms?
Anyway welcome to communism.
If we only had this communism thing in Berlin!
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Zohran is expanding the number of public toilets in NYC and improving how the existing ones are cleaned and maintained.
If this is a big enough initiative it will have a huge impact on quality of life for new yorkers. I don't know if it is big enough. Nonetheless *this* is the way to address the things that make people feel like the city is a dump. It's also just... civilized. IDK. How do you call it a city and you have no bathrooms?
Anyway welcome to communism.
@futurebird Visitors too.
You can't see it in all the video and stuff, but the whole downtown area smells like piss. Then it got humid.
That was the one thing that really struck me when I went there for a job interview. The constant sense I was in a bathroom...and not a clean one.
Surprised the rich want to live in that. I guess they're kinda up above it though.
Imagine what it was like in the horse days. Though I do prefer the smell of horse shit to car shit. Healthier too?
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@carrideen @futurebird in Queens, where we have all the big-box retail, it's a little easier. but then you gotta be at big box retail. sigh.
@VCP @carrideen @futurebird an NYC puzzle: posh person on the 4-5-6 or Q with a large water bottle (one of those half-gallon things). What do they do when they drink the water?
A different and more universal puzzle: people with water bottles at the pool.
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@VCP @carrideen @futurebird an NYC puzzle: posh person on the 4-5-6 or Q with a large water bottle (one of those half-gallon things). What do they do when they drink the water?
A different and more universal puzzle: people with water bottles at the pool.
@adardis @VCP @futurebird Conspicuous hydration is such a flex in a toiletless city!
