The FDA decided not to even review Moderna's mRNA flu vaccines for approval, even though the studies the FDA would be reviewing were conducted the way the FDA told Moderna to do them.
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@jeneralist The only reason would be that competing companies have bought their way into favor with the DJT administration, and Moderna is on the outside looking in.
Australia's CSL is also struggling with vaccination approvals in the US.
The rise and rise of stupid. I once dismissed anti vaccination as nonsense that is overwhelming unsupported by the data. What I didn't count on is the stupidity factor. It's similarly seen in #ClimateChange etc
Cipolla was right, a stupid person is the most dangerous of people.
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@drwho @jeneralist
Do you mean Moderna relocating assets (maybe)?@ancientsounds @jeneralist No, BioNTech. To take advantage of Moderna's stumble. They're pretty nimble as pharmacorps go.
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@drwho @ujay68 @jeneralist Eyeballing some news articles they pay maybe something like $100M/year in bonuses? Not insignificant, but proportionally also probably doesn't change the overall financial picture by a whole lot.
@mirth @ujay68 @jeneralist Depends on how many execs are getting that class of bonus. The shareholders don't seem to mind a whole lot.
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@geonz
No, there is a bit more to it. Moderna was the first to announce the possibility of using mRNA to build the vaccine, they announced it either just after Chump lost in 2020 or just after Chump left the white house in 2021. And then they had the audacity to lose to Pfizer to market launch, so to Chump it is very personal, which means to RFKjr it is personal.@nikatjef @EndicottAuthor @jeneralist Oh, that's right!!!!
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The FDA decided not to even review Moderna's mRNA flu vaccines for approval, even though the studies the FDA would be reviewing were conducted the way the FDA told Moderna to do them.
Now #Moderna expects that none of its other #mRNA #vaccines will be reviewed, and has halted studies on vaccines for EBV, HSV, and shingles.
A lot of people with herpes would be angry if they found out.
A lot of people who have family members with #MS -- now thought to be caused in part by EBV -- will be livid.
@jeneralist Why are they so focused on USA market? Just because the USA is making bad decisions doesn't meant they can't market their vaccines in Canada or Mexico. -
The FDA decided not to even review Moderna's mRNA flu vaccines for approval, even though the studies the FDA would be reviewing were conducted the way the FDA told Moderna to do them.
Now #Moderna expects that none of its other #mRNA #vaccines will be reviewed, and has halted studies on vaccines for EBV, HSV, and shingles.
A lot of people with herpes would be angry if they found out.
A lot of people who have family members with #MS -- now thought to be caused in part by EBV -- will be livid.
@jeneralist Well there goes my hopes for a vaccine for Lyme disease ever coming back...
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The FDA decided not to even review Moderna's mRNA flu vaccines for approval, even though the studies the FDA would be reviewing were conducted the way the FDA told Moderna to do them.
Now #Moderna expects that none of its other #mRNA #vaccines will be reviewed, and has halted studies on vaccines for EBV, HSV, and shingles.
A lot of people with herpes would be angry if they found out.
A lot of people who have family members with #MS -- now thought to be caused in part by EBV -- will be livid.
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Australia's CSL is also struggling with vaccination approvals in the US.
The rise and rise of stupid. I once dismissed anti vaccination as nonsense that is overwhelming unsupported by the data. What I didn't count on is the stupidity factor. It's similarly seen in #ClimateChange etc
Cipolla was right, a stupid person is the most dangerous of people.
@largess @EndicottAuthor @jeneralist Stupid always has a price. It's never free.
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The FDA decided not to even review Moderna's mRNA flu vaccines for approval, even though the studies the FDA would be reviewing were conducted the way the FDA told Moderna to do them.
Now #Moderna expects that none of its other #mRNA #vaccines will be reviewed, and has halted studies on vaccines for EBV, HSV, and shingles.
A lot of people with herpes would be angry if they found out.
A lot of people who have family members with #MS -- now thought to be caused in part by EBV -- will be livid.
@jeneralist just gonna call it now, if this shit continues, vaccine tourism is gonna become a thing
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@hosford42
Yes, but it has to be targeted cooperatives. A coop is not going to be able to afford research into novel uses of mRNA vaccines. Coops cannot afford the protein synthesizers needed to make those novel mRNA vaccines into enough doses.Now, if we instead taxed corporations / share holders profits the right way, they would be incentivized to spend the money that coops couldn't afford to spend.
@nikatjef @ariaflame @jeneralist @ujay68 coops (and the everyday people that are their members) can't fund major undertakings because for-profit corporations have extracted most of the wealth and handed it off to billionaires.
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The FDA decided not to even review Moderna's mRNA flu vaccines for approval, even though the studies the FDA would be reviewing were conducted the way the FDA told Moderna to do them.
Now #Moderna expects that none of its other #mRNA #vaccines will be reviewed, and has halted studies on vaccines for EBV, HSV, and shingles.
A lot of people with herpes would be angry if they found out.
A lot of people who have family members with #MS -- now thought to be caused in part by EBV -- will be livid.
@jeneralist If you need that broken, inflated medical market to turn a profit, and no new medication can be developed without expecting a profit, we're in trouble.
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The FDA decided not to even review Moderna's mRNA flu vaccines for approval, even though the studies the FDA would be reviewing were conducted the way the FDA told Moderna to do them.
Now #Moderna expects that none of its other #mRNA #vaccines will be reviewed, and has halted studies on vaccines for EBV, HSV, and shingles.
A lot of people with herpes would be angry if they found out.
A lot of people who have family members with #MS -- now thought to be caused in part by EBV -- will be livid.
@jeneralist they want not only to reduce childhood vaccination, but stop them from being produced, only hope that the rest of the world continues development and production
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@largess @EndicottAuthor @jeneralist Stupid always has a price. It's never free.
@Ponygirl
And the entire world has to pay it! Because Moderna said without the US market, they can't hit ROI. Means the entire world don't get mRNA vaccines if Trump says no. This is fucked.
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@Ponygirl
And the entire world has to pay it! Because Moderna said without the US market, they can't hit ROI. Means the entire world don't get mRNA vaccines if Trump says no. This is fucked.
@largess @EndicottAuthor @jeneralist@largess
> "Cipolla was right, a stupid person is the most dangerous of people."
I'm going to push back a bit on this. The most dangerous of all people are the ultra-wealthy who prey on stupid people to enrich themseves, especially when the wealthy use propaganda to rile masses of people to affect policy that will benefit the wealthy.
That is what is why the ultra-wealthy are usually so anti-science. If too many people were more scintifically literate, they would start making demands of the politically powerful, like solving climate change, seeing minorities like trans people as human beings with human rights, and providing affordable health care (especially vaccines) for everyone. The only time they are ever pro-science is when they need people to develop new weapons and surveillance systems.
@momo
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@Frieke72 @Mikal @jeneralist BioNTech (the German company that developed the mRNA Covid19 vaccine distributed by Pfizer) is developing vaccines against HSV, Mpox, HIV...
One competitor less, now.
@Frieke72 @Mikal @jeneralist @goedelchen
(I don't know whether BioNTech will be able to recover their research costs if the US market is gone. But if so...)Vaccination tourism may become a thing for Americans.
(And then the US border patrol will check vaccination booklets at the airports and will detain and deport everyone vaccinated with mRNA to avoid "shedding")
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The FDA decided not to even review Moderna's mRNA flu vaccines for approval, even though the studies the FDA would be reviewing were conducted the way the FDA told Moderna to do them.
Now #Moderna expects that none of its other #mRNA #vaccines will be reviewed, and has halted studies on vaccines for EBV, HSV, and shingles.
A lot of people with herpes would be angry if they found out.
A lot of people who have family members with #MS -- now thought to be caused in part by EBV -- will be livid.
@jeneralist
*Everyone* should be furious about this. It's a terrible outcome for all of humanity. -
@ancientsounds @jeneralist No, BioNTech. To take advantage of Moderna's stumble. They're pretty nimble as pharmacorps go.
@drwho @jeneralist
It will be interesting to see. (Sorry you got laid off.) -
@mu @jeneralist @Taco_lad i absolutely can and I absolutely am. The population of the USA is ~5% of the world population
@franksting @mu @jeneralist @Taco_lad It has to do with the markups on medication being uncapped in the US.
Elsewhere they can't just mark meds up 1000% but in the US they generally can and do.
So, 5% sure but the profits come from the markups on that small population.
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@jeneralist Why are they so focused on USA market? Just because the USA is making bad decisions doesn't meant they can't market their vaccines in Canada or Mexico.
@lispi314 @jeneralist Markups on medications are why the US market is a big thing here. That's why they're focused on the US. They can mark it up as much as they'd like.
Last year I checked how much it would cost to get my Covid booster w/o insurance as it was several hundred dollars. Just, shocking. I thought it might be somewhere around $100 but it was quite a bit more.
No way I could get it without.
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@franksting @mu @jeneralist @Taco_lad It has to do with the markups on medication being uncapped in the US.
Elsewhere they can't just mark meds up 1000% but in the US they generally can and do.
So, 5% sure but the profits come from the markups on that small population.
@clarablackink @franksting @mu @jeneralist oh. We know. End stage disaster capitalism means we all suffer because a giant pharma corp can't squeeze 5% of the population for every cent they can.
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