If you somehow still considered uploading your face/ID to Discord, here's one more reason not to: Peter Thiel seems to be the lead investor in the service that implements the age check.
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I'm no expert but we do check age when selling alcohol, vapes or knives in shops.
In a shop the vendor looks at the photo ID (eg student card, driving license, other) but does not keep it.
That seems to be a proportionate approach.
Sadly I don't know of anything equivalent in the digital world.
@charlesdelavalleepoussin @ariarhythmic @nina_kali_nina There is also no cloning of faces in a face-to-face meeting.
There is every possibility for ”age verification” farming in digital settings if there is no permanent connection to an official ID.
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@nina_kali_nina Interesting. I got a much more "we're doing this, but in as privacy protecting way as we're able" impression from their press release the other day.
I'm satisfied I made the right decision regardless of how they presented it. (Closing my account).@GerardThornley @nina_kali_nina Yeah, I'm pretty happy with my decision to never sign up.
Was hard sometimes when I needed help on some open source project that had decided that would be their support method.
Just too much experience already with this sort of thing. Seemed obvious this would happen. Not sure what I expected, maybe not this, but I knew it would be something.
You can't even talk about this stuff without being told you're horrible though.
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@nina_kali_nina Does anyone find it Curious that ''Palantir'' is an Object of ''Sorcery'' in the Lord of the Rings? who are these guys?
@Sonlight @nina_kali_nina They're a semi-secret business owned by a man who thinks Gretta Thrumburg is one of the rising anti-christs. They build primarily military and spy equipment. They're turning it on civilians all across the globe and are especially dug in here in the USA with the current regeime, who they're using to try to gain power for themselves. The man who owns it is one of the richest people on the planet and very much thinks he should be in charge.
Basically Lord Sauron.
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If you somehow still considered uploading your face/ID to Discord, here's one more reason not to: Peter Thiel seems to be the lead investor in the service that implements the age check. And, oh, the service page says they will store our data on their side (at least for a little while).
@nina_kali_nina We should leave platfroms who are willing to compromise on our most personal data. We all know they have incentives that help them, not us.
Age-checks, digital ID etc WON'T make the internet safer.
Did we fix spam? or DDOS?
Best alternative seems Telegram. Pavel keeps a straight back, figting for users first! Great guy!
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@nina_kali_nina We should leave platfroms who are willing to compromise on our most personal data. We all know they have incentives that help them, not us.
Age-checks, digital ID etc WON'T make the internet safer.
Did we fix spam? or DDOS?
Best alternative seems Telegram. Pavel keeps a straight back, figting for users first! Great guy!
Listen to this talk: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjPH9njnaVU@codebuzz I wouldn't trust a guy who lies about his involvement with Russia. Not saying he's like Thiel, but he's not as trust-worthy as furries around here.
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@codebuzz I wouldn't trust a guy who lies about his involvement with Russia. Not saying he's like Thiel, but he's not as trust-worthy as furries around here.
@nina_kali_nina I hear you. Seems a lot of prominent people tend to have additional agenda's somehow. Still, his wording is right, and he tries to align his actions.
Comparing him, how many companies made promises, only to break them (ad they knew they would)
I think this is one more hurdle between 'the internet that was' and reclaiming it again (insights on Big-tech, Solutions in the Fediverse).
It's a big teaching, we all need.
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If you somehow still considered uploading your face/ID to Discord, here's one more reason not to: Peter Thiel seems to be the lead investor in the service that implements the age check. And, oh, the service page says they will store our data on their side (at least for a little while).
@nina_kali_nina What? Discord was bullshitting us with how secure their system was and how much data is being extracted and stored? SAY IT AIN'T SO! They've *definitely* never done that before!
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If you somehow still considered uploading your face/ID to Discord, here's one more reason not to: Peter Thiel seems to be the lead investor in the service that implements the age check. And, oh, the service page says they will store our data on their side (at least for a little while).
@nina_kali_nina
Murphy's rule's variation No. 42:
Even when you think something can't go worse, it will. -
If you somehow still considered uploading your face/ID to Discord, here's one more reason not to: Peter Thiel seems to be the lead investor in the service that implements the age check. And, oh, the service page says they will store our data on their side (at least for a little while).
@nina_kali_nina Come think of it, it's the same one that VRChat uses, isn't it?
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@nina_kali_nina What? Discord was bullshitting us with how secure their system was and how much data is being extracted and stored? SAY IT AIN'T SO! They've *definitely* never done that before!
@disorderlyf `pparently they switched systems in some regions because the system didn't work out.
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If you somehow still considered uploading your face/ID to Discord, here's one more reason not to: Peter Thiel seems to be the lead investor in the service that implements the age check. And, oh, the service page says they will store our data on their side (at least for a little while).
@nina_kali_nina @LunaDragofelis also their rxpeirmenting with it after the precipus one kept getting hacked . because discord cant take a hint
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@nina_kali_nina What? Discord was bullshitting us with how secure their system was and how much data is being extracted and stored? SAY IT AIN'T SO! They've *definitely* never done that before!
@disorderlyf @nina_kali_nina they switched to a new one due to many people bypassing it via various methods, theres like a github repo thats gone back and forth 30 times now .. and discord opted to be more invasive instead of taking the hint
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If you somehow still considered uploading your face/ID to Discord, here's one more reason not to: Peter Thiel seems to be the lead investor in the service that implements the age check. And, oh, the service page says they will store our data on their side (at least for a little while).
@nina_kali_nina it's clear that the government is building a massive database of citizens and everything they say and do online. They are doing this using private companies to get around any direct legal challenges.
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@codebuzz I wouldn't trust a guy who lies about his involvement with Russia. Not saying he's like Thiel, but he's not as trust-worthy as furries around here.
@nina_kali_nina I also trust furries around here a lot more than I trust Telegram. @codebuzz
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oh ok.
I would urge readers not to have blind faith in things like Signal or Tor.
This is from 2013, over a decade ago, they've advanced since:
"The National Security Agency (“NSA”) has developed techniques to circumvent the anonymity offered by the Tor network. "
src: https://jolt.law.harvard.edu/digest/snowden-documents-reveal-nsa-attempts-to-track-tor-users
@charlesdelavalleepoussin@mastodon.social @nina_kali_nina@tech.lgbt Yeah, Tor has issues with its design that mean it fails against global observers (which is anyone willing to pay for netflow data, so basically anyone with a large university department's budget) because it does basically nothing to mitigate timing analysis.
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@charlesdelavalleepoussin @lispi314 well, it's less about this, and more about "there is no internet unless you login with your account tied to your passport" which is pretty bad
@nina_kali_nina@tech.lgbt @charlesdelavalleepoussin@mastodon.social That doesn't by itself provide all that much of a difference.
It just means that (assuming CGNAT dies) an IP = a person, so identification of endpoints is easier.
It might make determining participation in mixnets easier, but that in itself doesn't allow for deanonymizing traffic in said mixnets if it actually bothers to mitigate traffic analysis against global observers.
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indeed, some billionaires are demanding every user on the internet is never anonymous
""the authenticity of every person that expresses themselves online""
@charlesdelavalleepoussin@mastodon.social @nina_kali_nina@tech.lgbt The idea is to stifle criticism against them or the ravages they cause.
It doesn't make for a politer society or otherwise work. China's Internet demonstrates that handily.
South Korea dropped the idea for the very same reason after trying it.
Anyone that suggests it is either ignorant and unwilling to do research, or knows exactly what harms it does and wants them.
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@nina_kali_nina@tech.lgbt @charlesdelavalleepoussin@mastodon.social That doesn't by itself provide all that much of a difference.
It just means that (assuming CGNAT dies) an IP = a person, so identification of endpoints is easier.
It might make determining participation in mixnets easier, but that in itself doesn't allow for deanonymizing traffic in said mixnets if it actually bothers to mitigate traffic analysis against global observers.
@lispi314 @charlesdelavalleepoussin oh, but it absolutely does in regards to identity theft, online bullying, doxxing, government surveillance...
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@lispi314 @charlesdelavalleepoussin oh, but it absolutely does in regards to identity theft, online bullying, doxxing, government surveillance...
@nina_kali_nina@tech.lgbt @charlesdelavalleepoussin@mastodon.social Oh yeah, it is very harmful to people that aren't near-exclusively using anonymized/mixnet overlays.
And that assumes that it works "as intended" rather than say... having major dataleaks and broken security in its implementation.
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@nina_kali_nina @GerardThornley yeah like facebook, there's too many people i'm not in touch with any other way
but it's more than a little annoying
discord does its value proposition very well! it's a pity about the company
@nina_kali_nina @GerardThornley @davidgerard we should have never relied on it in the first place, and we need to remove that dependence at light speed
