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pwm@darkdork.dev

@techindepth27 Deltachat provides an interface and equivalent (if not better) encryption to signal/telegram/whatsapp. You can run their dedicated chatmail suite of software or even point the thing at any email server with imap (I host my own using maddy this way). Which is pretty strong for adoption imo because everyone has email already.
I use the hell out of it for internet people and cannot recommend it highly enough.
But yeah, the main problem of setting up software to talk to people is that you largely only get to talk to people already using it. As before, that's partially solved by the fact that everyone has email so the only barrier is installing an app, but even that's too much friction for many.

anon_4601@nerdculture.de

@dansup

#WhatsAppAlternatives #METABoycott #USAboycott

European privacy-friendly options, I’m not an expert. What do you think about these? Did I miss anything?

️ SESSION *
Focus on high anonymity.
Decentralized network , easy to use.
No phone, ID or email required.Open Source.

️ SIMPLEX *
Focus on maximum privacy
No user IDs or phone numbers Open Source.

️ THREEMA ***
Very popular in Germany
Uses anonymous 8-digit Threema ID. Proprietary code (but audited)

ELEMENT / MATRIX *
Great for teams and communities (like Discord/Teams) Federated (choose your server) Open Source

DELTA CHAT *
Open Source. Requires an emaill and a phone n. to open an email. in some countries (e.g., Italy), an ID is required to purchase a SIM card; problems related to metadata.️

SIGNAL ***
Requires a Phone, metadata concerns ️

*Open Source
**Proprietary
***Hybrid 50%-50%

Comparison by
https://
eylenburg.github.io/im_comparison.htm

baofinity@mastodon.social

@dansup How is @supapp progressing?

lightningtoaster@masto.nu

@techindepth27 @hyc It's dependent on the source of the app I think. When you get the self-updating APK from their website or from #fdroid through adding the @guardianproject repo it should be resolved.

zetabeta@mastodon.social

@hyc @dansup @matrix @xmpp
huawei uses harmonyos, which may not be compatible with android.
older phones used android.

techindepth27@mastodon.social

@LightningToaster That would make sense I think I have the F-droid version

supp@mstdn.party

@dansup Thank you!

danish_akhtar7@mastodon.social

@dansup @matrix @xmpp Brother, how to fight the "Network Effect" that these Tech Giants' apps already have?

aerion@nerdculture.de

@dansup

@matrix @xmpp

aerion@nerdculture.de

@dansup
> * - I know signal isn't federated, consider @matrix or @xmpp alternatively

How about pointing to https://quicksy.im/ rather than Signal? And @snikket_im for those who prefer #selfhosting ?

#Quicksy is by far the easiest way to get into #XMPP, and it behaves like WhatsApp (and Signal) users expect, with automatic contact discovery.

We need truly open instant messaging, not more walled gardens. However much good Signal has done for privacy in IM, it is *not* the golden answer to WhatsApp, Telegram, and all the other monolithic platforms.

@daniel
@matrix @xmpp

ctietze@mastodon.social

@dansup I forgot about Friendica when researching FB alternatives for community org! Thank you!

labus@expressional.social

@dansup @matrix @xmpp What about Olvid instead of Signal? Any experience? (We are testing it at home these days.)

darwinlovesbitcoin@theforkiverse.com

@dansup But what if “we” don’t want the people left on X?

mhtt@mastodon.social

@dansup @matrix @xmpp

digg ---> reddit

whops wrong decade!

lecalligraphe@piaille.fr

@dansup @matrix @xmpp

I recently heard about the holochain (currently at the end of development) that will start to make possible to build your own local SELF-hosted, decentralized and encrypted chat room (also cloud...)

everything (redundancy mngt, encryption, storage split between servers, storage itself...) will be made by terminal of members of the chat room and no other server will be involved... (Thus it will request storage allocation from each member)

not only the data are decentralized, but then also the infrastructure with the control of it

That could be the next security & privacy revolution...

Exemple :
https://volla.online/en/volla-cloud/

angelo_arch@mastodon.social

@dansup @matrix @xmpp

hyc@mastodon.social

@LightningToaster @techindepth27 @guardianproject Thanks I'll check where I installed it from and try fdroid.

techindepth27@mastodon.social

@hyc Just a heads up, apparently the official F-droid app has some security issues and isn't recommended. I've used Neo-Store and @droidify Also as @LightningToaster mentioned, you'll need to add the @guardianproject repo in the settings to get Signal to show up

qgustavor@urusai.social

@dansup Matrix crypto is bad. There are so many people recommending Signal alternatives with BAD cryptography just because it's not federated (some are even Signal forks with removed security features! ) that makes me urge two things:

One: pressure Signal into becoming federated.

Two: make people aware that there are plans to add E2EE to Mastodon and, IMHO, it will be better than Signal in some parts (e.g. on Signal you have to check safety numbers to see if no one is tampering with your connection, on Mastodon it will be automatic, like WhatsApp, but open-source, unlike WhatsApp).

miggi@metalhead.club

@ben @dansup It's open source

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