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  • irene@discuss.systemsI irene@discuss.systems

    @alice ugh this is why I hate being perceived. Basically up until college, I was never perceived as attractive because I’m Asian (yay, racism) and inter-racial relationships were still a big no no. Then I got to college and it flipped and made me so uncomfortable. To this day, I’m still uncomfortable being perceived but I know a lot of people think the opposite because I like clothes and shoes and girly things. During the pandemic, I realized that it’s really a body dysmorphia thing because people so strongly do not perceive me the way that I perceive myself in person but over video with video off is reasonable for me.

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    @irene 🫂

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    • alice@lgbtqia.spaceA alice@lgbtqia.space

      Vulnerability time again.

      So, in the bucket of "semi-innocuous things that can fuck you up for life", I cried this morning after waking from a stupid anxiety dream.

      Why? Well strap in...

      All my life people have told me I'm attractive (boo-hoo, right?). Which also means, all my life I've had people tell me I'm vain, or shallow, or that I'm using my looks manipulatively. People have also informed me that looks don't last, and that I'd "better have a plan B"¹ for when they inevitably fade.

      ¹ not that kind of plan B 😑

      And, with brains being the lovely little pattern-seeking machines they are, mine condensed this down to "People like/hate you for your looks. If you're not pretty enough, you're worthless; if you're too pretty you're a bad person".

      I've written before about my ex-spouse who told me, in a crowded cafe, "people only listen to you because you're fuckable" (this was in response to telling them that two psychologists had favorably reviewed my paper on autism self-diagnostic criteria)

      I've also written about how I never really found myself attractive until just recently (thanks therapy, healthy relationships, and Fedi). I recognized that other folx did—or at least said they did, but—with my lifelong history of abuse—I didn't see it. I think it took, at least in part, having a healthy, loving, asexual partner for me to start liking myself in new ways. And, as she said after I told her about the dream this morning, "if I'm using you for your body, I'm doing a really bad job of it" 😋

      So what was the dream? It was a pretty basic theater anxiety dream.

      I was in a play (playing the male lead, I think), and I'd spent the morning doing my costume and makeup for the part. Someone ran by and let me know I was on in 7 minutes. It was then I realized no one had given me a script, and I didn't know anything about my lines or the play. A perfectly reasonable panic attack ensued, and then I woke up.

      Now, I don't usually read into dreams; dreams are my brain's equivalent of DOS6 running defrag. But this one was pretty on the nose.

      I had spent all my time trying to look the role, and had completely failed to do the part that matters...and now it was too late—I was the pretty one with no substance.

      #Beauty #Dreams #Therapy #MentalHealth #Anxiety #Abuse

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      @alice I see you. And you’re not just a pretty face, you never have been. You’ve always been scintillating and smart and well read and fun. Easy on the eyes conveys some privilege, but not enough to invalidate all the other good things you are and you do. 🥰

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      • alice@lgbtqia.spaceA alice@lgbtqia.space

        This is, of course, not a fishing for support or compliments sort of post. I wanted to share so that folx have a little window into how our society forces unrealistic expectations on all of us in different ways. E.g. when everything is a competition, everyone loses most of the time.

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        @alice
        Such is life, you don’t loose as long as your learning and giving a damn I suppose. If we aren’t making mistakes or open minded then we will just be another ignorant asshole.

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        • autisticplushy@lgbtqia.spaceA autisticplushy@lgbtqia.space

          @alice I am angry at your ex just reading this. 😞 It's so shallow, i think it's very difficult to find your specific kind of kind person. 😞
          Hugs!

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          @autisticplushy @alice Same, especially when papers are generally reviewed by people who have no fucking clue of what you look like. (Ideally, double blind review means they don't even know your name, and reciprocally, but apparently that was not the case for your paper).

          Also, I had no clue you had some academic papers. Did you get a PhD out of that ?

          And sending hugs !

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          • missconstrue@mefi.socialM missconstrue@mefi.social

            @alice I see you. And you’re not just a pretty face, you never have been. You’ve always been scintillating and smart and well read and fun. Easy on the eyes conveys some privilege, but not enough to invalidate all the other good things you are and you do. 🥰

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            @alice Also... What @MissConstrue said! 💜 💙 💜 💙 💜 💙 💜 💙 💜 💙 💜 💙 💜

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            • alice@lgbtqia.spaceA alice@lgbtqia.space

              This is, of course, not a fishing for support or compliments sort of post. I wanted to share so that folx have a little window into how our society forces unrealistic expectations on all of us in different ways. E.g. when everything is a competition, everyone loses most of the time.

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              @alice Thank you for sharing this. Gonna sit with and reflect on it.

              Edit: Yeah, wow. Considering more of how society hits us each individually is a lot. Those insidious little ways we get poked at and worn down to be more easily exploited for what we have to offer. It's so upsetting and so exhausting.

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              • alice@lgbtqia.spaceA alice@lgbtqia.space

                Vulnerability time again.

                So, in the bucket of "semi-innocuous things that can fuck you up for life", I cried this morning after waking from a stupid anxiety dream.

                Why? Well strap in...

                All my life people have told me I'm attractive (boo-hoo, right?). Which also means, all my life I've had people tell me I'm vain, or shallow, or that I'm using my looks manipulatively. People have also informed me that looks don't last, and that I'd "better have a plan B"¹ for when they inevitably fade.

                ¹ not that kind of plan B 😑

                And, with brains being the lovely little pattern-seeking machines they are, mine condensed this down to "People like/hate you for your looks. If you're not pretty enough, you're worthless; if you're too pretty you're a bad person".

                I've written before about my ex-spouse who told me, in a crowded cafe, "people only listen to you because you're fuckable" (this was in response to telling them that two psychologists had favorably reviewed my paper on autism self-diagnostic criteria)

                I've also written about how I never really found myself attractive until just recently (thanks therapy, healthy relationships, and Fedi). I recognized that other folx did—or at least said they did, but—with my lifelong history of abuse—I didn't see it. I think it took, at least in part, having a healthy, loving, asexual partner for me to start liking myself in new ways. And, as she said after I told her about the dream this morning, "if I'm using you for your body, I'm doing a really bad job of it" 😋

                So what was the dream? It was a pretty basic theater anxiety dream.

                I was in a play (playing the male lead, I think), and I'd spent the morning doing my costume and makeup for the part. Someone ran by and let me know I was on in 7 minutes. It was then I realized no one had given me a script, and I didn't know anything about my lines or the play. A perfectly reasonable panic attack ensued, and then I woke up.

                Now, I don't usually read into dreams; dreams are my brain's equivalent of DOS6 running defrag. But this one was pretty on the nose.

                I had spent all my time trying to look the role, and had completely failed to do the part that matters...and now it was too late—I was the pretty one with no substance.

                #Beauty #Dreams #Therapy #MentalHealth #Anxiety #Abuse

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                @alice May I remind you that the vast majority of us has never seen your full face? Those of us who call you pretty on the internet mostly extrapolate from your taste and style. You'll keep those all your life even if (not when!) nature takes away your pretty face and smooth skin.

                People might not call you "hot" anymore when you're 80 but they'll for sure say "damn, I wish I'll look like that when I get to your age", pointing at one of the coolest outfits ever seen on a retiree.

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                • alice@lgbtqia.spaceA alice@lgbtqia.space

                  This is, of course, not a fishing for support or compliments sort of post. I wanted to share so that folx have a little window into how our society forces unrealistic expectations on all of us in different ways. E.g. when everything is a competition, everyone loses most of the time.

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                  #28

                  @alice https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DK-L3BUapc0

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                  • S sasutina13@lgbtqia.space

                    @alice Wait. You´re cool and awesome and all... Love your brains, fwiw... (not a zombie! I promise!) ... And I am still mad at your ex...

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                    #29

                    @sasutina13 I've moved on and forgiven them for their part in our toxic relationship, but I can't forget *why* they're my ex, lest I look back at just the good parts and second guess my decision to run.

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                    • aprazeth@mstdn.socialA aprazeth@mstdn.social

                      @alice

                      Agreed. A lot of people just get told to not even try unless you do/are perfect at it from the first go.

                      Which is just bonkers. You do not have to be the best, you can be quite horrible at something - as long as you learn or have fun. I am horrible at singing, but that won't stop me from humming or singing along.

                      And making mistakes is how you learn. You didn't fail, you found a method that didn't work. Attempt again with new information and insight.

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                      @alice

                      And if all fails, you still succeeded. You learned something, you had fun. You grew as a person.

                      The amount of quips we can share are precisely because of us just trying things. Even the things that didn't work out, perhaps especially those, have value. Sometimes as a little story, others as a life lesson.

                      Don't be scared of trying something (new) or not being the best at it.

                      Everyone likes an old person with lots of funny stories. So start making them 🙂

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                      • alice@lgbtqia.spaceA alice@lgbtqia.space

                        This is, of course, not a fishing for support or compliments sort of post. I wanted to share so that folx have a little window into how our society forces unrealistic expectations on all of us in different ways. E.g. when everything is a competition, everyone loses most of the time.

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                        @alice

                        Agreed. A lot of people just get told to not even try unless you do/are perfect at it from the first go.

                        Which is just bonkers. You do not have to be the best, you can be quite horrible at something - as long as you learn or have fun. I am horrible at singing, but that won't stop me from humming or singing along.

                        And making mistakes is how you learn. You didn't fail, you found a method that didn't work. Attempt again with new information and insight.

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                        • sobex@social.sciences.reS sobex@social.sciences.re

                          @autisticplushy @alice Same, especially when papers are generally reviewed by people who have no fucking clue of what you look like. (Ideally, double blind review means they don't even know your name, and reciprocally, but apparently that was not the case for your paper).

                          Also, I had no clue you had some academic papers. Did you get a PhD out of that ?

                          And sending hugs !

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                          #32

                          @Sobex no relevant PhD, but I have a specialization in behavioral science statistics and psychology. My actual degree is in computer and information systems, but psychology research has always been a big part of my professional role.

                          @autisticplushy

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                          • alice@lgbtqia.spaceA alice@lgbtqia.space

                            This is, of course, not a fishing for support or compliments sort of post. I wanted to share so that folx have a little window into how our society forces unrealistic expectations on all of us in different ways. E.g. when everything is a competition, everyone loses most of the time.

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                            @alice yeah.... I commiserate with you on this!

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                            • dfyx@social.helios42.deD dfyx@social.helios42.de

                              @alice May I remind you that the vast majority of us has never seen your full face? Those of us who call you pretty on the internet mostly extrapolate from your taste and style. You'll keep those all your life even if (not when!) nature takes away your pretty face and smooth skin.

                              People might not call you "hot" anymore when you're 80 but they'll for sure say "damn, I wish I'll look like that when I get to your age", pointing at one of the coolest outfits ever seen on a retiree.

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                              @dfyx aww, that's really sweet...thinking I'll ever be able to afford to retire 🫠

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                              • alice@lgbtqia.spaceA alice@lgbtqia.space

                                @sasutina13 I've moved on and forgiven them for their part in our toxic relationship, but I can't forget *why* they're my ex, lest I look back at just the good parts and second guess my decision to run.

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                                @alice Well... I´m still going to be mad at him...

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                                • alice@lgbtqia.spaceA alice@lgbtqia.space

                                  @dfyx aww, that's really sweet...thinking I'll ever be able to afford to retire 🫠

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                                  @alice Initially I tried to find a different word but gave up.

                                  So congratulations, the guy from a country where our generation has at least a minor chance to retire before we drop dead has just become your oracle for a prosperous future. I'll collect my commission in a couple of decades.

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                                  • alice@lgbtqia.spaceA alice@lgbtqia.space

                                    @Sobex no relevant PhD, but I have a specialization in behavioral science statistics and psychology. My actual degree is in computer and information systems, but psychology research has always been a big part of my professional role.

                                    @autisticplushy

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                                    @alice @autisticplushy I'm curious how Physchology research can become part of the job of a Computer graduate 😮 What exactly is it that you do to earn the money to buy locks ?

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                                    • sobex@social.sciences.reS sobex@social.sciences.re

                                      @alice @autisticplushy I'm curious how Physchology research can become part of the job of a Computer graduate 😮 What exactly is it that you do to earn the money to buy locks ?

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                                      @Sobex @alice /notsrs hypnotize your employer to get a raise

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                                      • alice@lgbtqia.spaceA alice@lgbtqia.space

                                        Vulnerability time again.

                                        So, in the bucket of "semi-innocuous things that can fuck you up for life", I cried this morning after waking from a stupid anxiety dream.

                                        Why? Well strap in...

                                        All my life people have told me I'm attractive (boo-hoo, right?). Which also means, all my life I've had people tell me I'm vain, or shallow, or that I'm using my looks manipulatively. People have also informed me that looks don't last, and that I'd "better have a plan B"¹ for when they inevitably fade.

                                        ¹ not that kind of plan B 😑

                                        And, with brains being the lovely little pattern-seeking machines they are, mine condensed this down to "People like/hate you for your looks. If you're not pretty enough, you're worthless; if you're too pretty you're a bad person".

                                        I've written before about my ex-spouse who told me, in a crowded cafe, "people only listen to you because you're fuckable" (this was in response to telling them that two psychologists had favorably reviewed my paper on autism self-diagnostic criteria)

                                        I've also written about how I never really found myself attractive until just recently (thanks therapy, healthy relationships, and Fedi). I recognized that other folx did—or at least said they did, but—with my lifelong history of abuse—I didn't see it. I think it took, at least in part, having a healthy, loving, asexual partner for me to start liking myself in new ways. And, as she said after I told her about the dream this morning, "if I'm using you for your body, I'm doing a really bad job of it" 😋

                                        So what was the dream? It was a pretty basic theater anxiety dream.

                                        I was in a play (playing the male lead, I think), and I'd spent the morning doing my costume and makeup for the part. Someone ran by and let me know I was on in 7 minutes. It was then I realized no one had given me a script, and I didn't know anything about my lines or the play. A perfectly reasonable panic attack ensued, and then I woke up.

                                        Now, I don't usually read into dreams; dreams are my brain's equivalent of DOS6 running defrag. But this one was pretty on the nose.

                                        I had spent all my time trying to look the role, and had completely failed to do the part that matters...and now it was too late—I was the pretty one with no substance.

                                        #Beauty #Dreams #Therapy #MentalHealth #Anxiety #Abuse

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                                        @alice The human mind can behave in some odd ways. Here's Professor Bergman in Space:1999 talking about humans and their brain potential.

                                        Any dreams with negativity should always be consigned to the trash heap.

                                        You are beautiful, kind, loving and considerate. We need more people to be like you.

                                        As Carla said in Captain Kronos: Vampire Hunter said, "Beauty fades eventually, but a kind soul remains forever."

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                                        • alice@lgbtqia.spaceA alice@lgbtqia.space

                                          This is, of course, not a fishing for support or compliments sort of post. I wanted to share so that folx have a little window into how our society forces unrealistic expectations on all of us in different ways. E.g. when everything is a competition, everyone loses most of the time.

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                                          @alice

                                          In my world, society places this sort of judgement on pretty much everything. Seems to be reluctant to credit any position on any spectrum. So I get grief for not expressing an opinion and condemnation when I do. Where my plain-speaking is considered rude. I am grateful I learned to stop worrying about other people's opinions of me. Took a bloody long time to feeling my efforts were good enough. Not for everybody but usually for those who matter to me. As, I suspect, you are.

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